To each their own. The glass and 6 handed wasnt my favorite experience.

It looks to me like outdoor gaming has at least temporarily altered the balance in the "Bike vs. Commerce Mid-high LHE Turf War". Commerce has been running a single table of 60/120 the past few days with no 20/40-40/80. They were running 2 tables at first and even got 200/400 going last Wednesday, but it's like they just gave up this past weekend and decided to use the space for 4/8-8/16. The Bike has been getting 4 tables of 20/40 and one table of 40/80 pretty consistently. I imagine the Gardens may be outperforming Commerce in mid-high LHE as well. On twitter, The Bike's setup seems reasonably nice while the Commerce setup looks kinda like a flea market in a podunk town. The outdoor Commerce twitter pics alone make me imagine ear splitting construction noise, noxious highway fumes, and sawdust blowing into my eyeballs. The dude running their twitter is like "It's hard to see how awesome it is from these angles! You have to be here to understand." Really, bro? You couldn't be bothered to walks yourself to a slightly more flattering angle before you snapped and uploaded your pics?

Overall, covid seems to just be awful for live mid-high LHE. With limited space, why start a shorthanded mid-high LHE table that may or may not bear fruit when 4/8 LHE or 1/2-2/5 NL is guaranteed to run strong all night? And to make matters worse, the LA casinos seem much more interested in their Baccarat and Blackjack customers.

Only the Bellagio seems to be prioritizing its mid-high LHE customers. But they are def at an advantage since the local government is giving the Vegas casinos so much more room to do whatever the heck they want.

I worry that we are approaching some sort of live poker apocalypse where everything becomes 1/2-2/5 NL with the occasional 4/8 LHE thrown in. I feel like the solution is for mid-high LHE to pay significantly more rake than lower stakes games, but I might get murdered for even bringing that one up.

The casinos are just trying to hedge losses until the vaccination. Everything about the pandemic has crushed their business model. At least in SoCal you guys can play outside all winter.

A funny thing has happened at Canterbury. The 20/40 is a $6 raked game (4+2) that hits the cap nearly every hand and we average like 45 hands/hr. We're 6-max, so that's $45 per person per hour. 40/80 is $20/hr time, so it's less than half the cost.

We're now running 40/80lhe every day, and sometimes multiple tables because a few regs (and one in particular) have been so vocal about saving money on rake.

In Minnesota, Covid is pushing people to live mid-high LHE.

Wow... The Bike just ninja'd the Commerce 60/120 game right after I made that post. I do hope Commerce makes a quick comeback. Competition and multiple options are good things.

Borgata and probably parx opening soon. Looks like a lot of good timing by these casinos. Let plan and sit on our ass during summer and wait for other competition to do something. If it wasn’t profitable to open why all the sudden do it when Covid will increase. Anyway with that being said I am coming to play next weekend.

This checks out. 20/40 rake is egregious as compared to making it a time game. But unless we decide to move the game elsewhere, they aren’t going to change it. I can’t imagine the 40 will sustain long term, but it will be fun while it lasts. I think that reg just needs to be careful not to lobby too hard - two people already told me they didn’t like converting to 40 this week

Yeah, the 40 is already dying down. It might have just been a weird couple of weeks.

I wonder if the 20/40 actually re-locates to aces; If they'll do $8/30min 7-max (as has been repeatedly rumored), we might as well. Alternately, the daytime 20 at Canterbury w/o regs might become the best LHE game in the country even with the egregious rake.

Every game that runs at canta is already the best in the country for that stake, the fact that no 20 regs move to the mix reiterates the fact that its lolz soft

Are GTO preflop charts for 6-max LHE available publicly or do I need to buy some software for them? I goggled for it and all I could find were NL charts.

solveoptimized has limit 6-max but in monker format so you may have to buy software anyway?

I believe that MonkerViewer is available for free download

I have LHE ranges and simulations I produced myself from the various dream machines. I'm hesitant to just put a link here and make them fully public property.

What do you guys think is a fair price?


Wolfram, are you looking for an easy to read set of preflop charts? Or range files you can plug in to a post-flop solver?

Gto price is 0. I am not going to hold back information that would decrease my edge if someone is making it easy for mass

Reasonable position. Go ahead and give it away.

Only once you start selling them.

I'm not setting up shop. Too much work for a terrible business model. Obv that's why the link posted above is selling 6max preflop ranges for 999 euro.

Just an easy to read chart to clean up my preflop play as I donk away on 2/4 6-max online during covid. Preferably RFI, facing RFI inpos/oop and bvb play. I don't have the time, skills nor inclination to buy and get into solvers. I don't even use trackers anymore.

I found charts for 100bb 6max NL for free from pokercoaching.com so I can't imagine this info would be very valuable but who knows. I can always use those as a baseline and just adjust to lhe play.

I am very interested in how much solver ranges deviate from the recommendations in the old Stoxtrader book. Wolfram, I have a spreadsheet built off the Stox book I could share. Maybe folks who have solved preflop spots can weigh in on how much currency those ranges still have. If I had to guess, I'd say the solvers mix in some more suited BS.

Depending on how "off" those ranges are, the value of solved ranges may go up or down.

My ranges are probably close to that since the Stox book was pretty much gospel back when I played the most. But sure, I'd appreciate taking a look at those, just as a refresher.

I don't know how solver ranges deviate from Stox's, but I know of one way they ought to deviate from Stox's: Stox gives a single range for BB defense, and does not adjust for the position of the opener.

Based on the guidelines in the book, you should be able to easily figure out your defending range from the big blind based on the opener's position.

MM

It doesnt sound like bostick disagrees just pointing out to those, maybe less aware.


Anyway.. those of you cold in those nitty reg fest l.a. game. Plenty of room in a.c. during the week

If I'm playing in a 20/40 limit game with a $4 max rake (+3 for BBJ)..So $7 total, what can be an expected hourly if it's like 6-7 handed? I'm talking about the upper limits of hourly from the most studied and proficient players. I used to play 4/8 way back in the day, but haven't played limit in like 15 years, so am clueless these days. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Figuring 45 hands per hour (Shuffle Master and short handed game) and $7/hand being dropped, that's $315/hour going down the slot, or 7.875 big bets lost in an hour. Divide this burden among 6 players, and we get a burden 1.3 big bets per hour per player, a hurdle that every player must overcome to break even.

I would say that we would be looking at the best players making something between breakeven and 1.5 bb/hour depending on game conditions.

That's the best players. Mere mortals will do worse.