Congratulations on being Robusto again Elo!

Didn't know Commerce had an indoor smoking room but glad I didn't know since I chain smoked excessively back then. Sadly stopped smoking but generally start again when I end up at Hammonds Horseshoe indoor smoking free casino.

Elo Pottawatami, a casino in Milwaukee also still has an indoor smoking room next to the tables. Small room but their 30/60 LHE game or 20/40 LHE half kill game was almost as soft as Hammonds Horseshoe and Commerce. Their NL game is a joke as well but I never played NL that often in lieu of LHE. Unfortunately, it's not on Bravo so you need to check their website but you can call ahead to be on list like at Hammonds Horseshoe

Best of luck at Commerce and please PM me if you're going to Hammonds Horseshoe!

that seems too loose by a few pips and once it's not too loose, it should be in the mixed bag (i.e. if you're gunna play KT in the sb, which you should, if you have a mixed strat in the sb, you should be calling this 25 or 50% etc. since you need the mix of big cards, pairs, sc's). that's why i don't do the mixed strategy. it's way too hard to execute live and doing it only partially could be -ev

yea, it seems that way. what i mean when i say i just can't believe it is that it's hard for me to really internalize.

he was such a hard worker. why put all that at risk? i guess he thought he'd never get caught? maybe he was outclassed when he moved to NL? when we were friendly and played together and talked on aim, etc. it was all limit. then i stayed at limit for the most part and lots of folks moved to nl, including him.

so i can't really speak to how studious he was at nl, just what i experienced first hand with him at limit.

in terms of the russian thing, i still haven't heard about that/nor do i remember hearing about it during the time that this all was uncovered.

those old pics in the thread are all dead links though so is there an estimate of the amount he won using 40putts/kinetica and colluding? i know cheating is cheating but do we have an estimate of how big of a loss this was to the hsnl community?

I could *maybe* believe he just thought they were reducing variance (I think they never called each other’s shoves without AA?) while shortstacking. And didn’t realize the collusive nature of their agreement. But the other thing was he tried hard to stay anonymous, he had secondary accounts to shortstack / rathole from the ones he played Lhe on and made videos on. So that was both sort of a big deal at the time and just made him look really bad.

yea it's not a good look, that's for sure. i'm obv too biased to really be trusted with an objective assessment and even i think it looks bad.

i lost touch w/ stox when he moved to cali and haven't talked to him for a few years. i also haven't talked to nyplayer for a while. so i don't have any personal conversations with them regarding the cheating scandal but having been friendly w/ them for 2-3 years and talking to them basically every day including sharing analyses and simulations, it just seems to be such a waste to move to cheating.

i can't imagine he wouldn't have made a ton playing normally if he worked as hard at nl as he did at limit. he had a great sense for the game and was extremely smart. sad part of this thread

lol remind me of the dude that made SNE playing 13/10 in FR made a deal with his buddy that whenever they happen to be pre flop situation they would fold unless one of them have AA/kk they would dial there phone to confirm. Def. didn't mean any harm just wanted to reduce variance and speed up the game. Also there countless example why people do stupid ****. look at UB.Full tilt why would they kill there own golden goose.

Anyone playing LAPC LHE?

Miami John just busted so we start the final table of 8 tomorrow, I'm not sure what my chip position is or the payouts. I just like winning. Got here on Thursday and was playing 1/2 mix until wife called and said she hit bbj at 4/8. On her first hand of the trip. After expertly posting instead of waiting 2 hands. And then trying to muck winner bc she didn't know what a jackpot is.

So I took a break from playing mix to tell all my wife's new "friends" to take a hike. The People's Republic of CA took out extra taxes cuz we are from the People's Republic of MA. Played mix until it was 3 handed w ODB Baker and a Random Asian Gambler. RAG limps SB in deuce and all I saw was a vpip so I went to fold but grabbed my cards out of the muck and the guy weakly starts arguing for the pot before ODB screamed at him for trying to angle me. I drew 5 and folded so it was a moot point.

Friday and Saturday I played the 570 dealers choice and made the final table w chips but played a PLO hand too atrocious to post and busted 6th. I was too tilted and tired to late reg the 1100 2-7 or play cash so I left Commerce and went to see people. Made a small swap w Baker in the 1100 so if I don't win tomorrow, I hope he does. Only straight flhe I've played has been this tourney but I called it a few times in the DC and heard the groans.

This place is a zoo and I have some funny stories cuz I always have fun at the zoo, but that's the poker stuff. I'm tired and have to construct river 3 bet bluff range and study my turn probe heatmaps before we re-start in 11 hours

Nice post, gl!

calling random games to make people groan in dealers choice is like half the reason i play dealers choice. and people are surprisingly not that good at LHE!

that commerce mix looks interesting too, they were clearly paying attention to the wsop mix cuz they removed PLBigO and PL2-7 which both played exponentially bigger than all the other games

i will prolly play the 2k mix at the end of the month if work doesnt get in the way

How much was the bbj?

turn probe heatmaps!!!

I lol'd. gllllll MB!

Best trip report I've ever read.

Wife got 20,5. We made it to final 3 today and CL wanted to chop badly, so Matt gave us chip chop payouts (they wont provide ICM). I was short stack and thought I had edge but blinds were big so I said ICM or we play and they both snap accepted.

PL 2-7 would've def busted too many people quickly but they spread the PL Big O, prob cuz it's split pot.

I cant post some of the stuff that I've texted you guys cuz it might give people the (totally wrong) impression that I belong in this zoo, but for non-poker stuff, James Woods is my new buddy. Hope to figure out more names to drop in future posts

If I recall correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do because I found it very interesting, they never 3-bet each other with strong hands (maybe any hands?) because the EV of tarping players behind them was much higher. In any case, the strategy was one that was obviously collusive and Stox was far too smart not to realize that.

your last part is wrong. he wasnt good enough at NL and LHE had died. thats why he cheated.

as for how much he made, it was a bit over a dollar a hand. stox always mentioned that as his goal. when he realized that such an amount was nearly impossible at limit and utterly impossible for him at no limit, he found a way to achieve it.

Posted in Arena Poker thread as well:

A local treasure who has been banned from calling set-ups for years had this gem yesterday.

She is in the 8 seat officially. She is more sitting directly between where the 7 and 8 seat should be and we are at a full 9 handed table. This means the 7 and 6 seats are far too close to each other, but she doesn't give a ****.

She raises preflop in the 8 seat and the 9 seat 3 bets. Some action on the flop and the turn brings 4 to a flush and she checks, he bets, she laments her bad luck and folds and as she does it she physically grabs the cards from the 9 seats hand. He is holding them pretty tightly and she literally rips them from his hands to expose them.

Never seen anything like that so physical at the table. I've seen people fold over mucked winners before a time or two, but never such blatant disregard for the game.

that_pope: then what happened? 9 seat just let it go cuz she's a giant fish?

Yeah, he is a very friendly guy and just laughed it off, I would have been at least slightly pissed off. I've been dealing with her for 12 years, and she doesn't bother me because I'm used to her antics. She is pretty bad. She sat our during like 40% of the downs because of who was dealing. At one point I said "She likes us so much she will pay $18 just to sit around at the table with us" "And she is probably saving money by doing so!"

I asked the floor hypothetically and was told it would at least be a stern warning if not a 24 hour ban if the person wanted to call the floor. Since it wasn't against me, I didn't say anything.

I'm pretty easy going at the table, but I don't care how terrible you are, trying to kill my cards after I've put $ in the pot is going to be met with fury.

Same, but in this case she was just exposing the winning hand, right? I'm definitely letting that slide.

Yes, it was a winning hand. They were HU and she folded. He was waiting for the pot to be pushed before giving the dealer his cards and she tore them out of his hand.

Meh, I guess I'd let that go, since I've already been awarded the pot. Though I might ask them to not do that in the future.

I know who he is talking about and there’s no way I’d let it go.


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