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Originally Posted by stinkypete
Out drinking and end up playing 1/2/5 PLOL. I make it 800 on the flop with another 500ish behind, someone calls for very little, and villain puts his stack in. Dealer deals out turn and river and I flip my cards up (set of 7s), other guy does too (set of aces), and then I realize the guy who shoved had a few hundred on top of my 800.
So I hadn't yet completed the action on the flop. I am intoxicated and haven't really yet figured out what's going on and say "wait a minute, I hadn't called the flop yet" expecting floor to get called to sort it out. Obviously I would have called. Villain says something like "oh like you wouldn't have made me put it all in if you'd won" and I point out that he's missing the point. Dealer pushes him the pot (with just my 800) and quickly starts moving onto the next hand, obviously because she doesn't want the floor to know how incompetent she is. Villain seems satisfied to scoop what's in the middle (without the extra couple hundred) and I don't really care since I probably saved a few hundo and don't really want to get the dealer in trouble or be the drunk ******* even though she probably shouldn't be dealing poker.
Perhaps the play here among gentlemen would be to just pay out his all in if I knew I could expect the same from him. But I don't know villain, and had I sucked out, he could have demanded we complete the flop action and get a new turn and river?
Should I have insisted on calling the floor?
In a real poker game with a person I know well, I'm absolutely paying them the full amount if I believe they'd pay me the full amount in a situation where we are very obviously stacking off always. Not calling the floor. Just giving them however many thousand it is. Have been on both the giving and receiving end of a handful of these the past few months in $50 to $100 blind big bet games. It's actually a bit embarrassing how many honor system pay backs I have seen or been a part of considering how much money we are playing for, but I'm really happy and fortunate to play with honest people and people who trust me
In a random 1dollar/2dollar game, my assumption would be that they will very rarely pay me when the situation is reversed. Use your moral compass and decide if you want to freeroll yourself.
I had a ridiculous one that I felt really ****ty about when I woke up the next day, not really sure how it should have been handled or if I actually had any reason to feel bad.
50/50 blind PL 2-7 triple draw. Some action and 3 way all in on first draw I believe, sb gets all in with 86542 and pats, I have 76542 and pat, utg has 87432 and breaks. I was quite drunk so from this point on it gets cloudy. I assume utg gets 1 card for the 2nd draw then we agree to run the river twice after sb and I go pat/pat until the last draw. Anyway, the dealer gives him his first card and before either of us can do anything she's just got the deck on the table seemingly mixed with the muck.
He and I are trying to figure out what the fair way to get him his 2nd river is when an exceptionally drunk and stuck rec reaches and grabs a card from the end of the pile and it's a 5 so he'd have a wheel. Are we ok with this just being the result and chopping? Obviously I'm not particularly pleased about someone just grabbing a random card because the 3rd all in player (holding a 6 and a 5) has just mucked and it's quite likely his cards would be at the edge of the muck where she's grabbed this random but maybe not so random card from. I don't remember if he actually tabled the 86542 or flashed it to us. In hindsight, if he had tabled, we could just check the camera to see if the 5 he received was the one the 3rd player just showed or not and that could have been the end of it if it wasn't the dead 5. And yes, if he bricked off, I would be 100% on board with him wanting to make sure he received a fair card. This isn't a sour grapes, oh he 4 outted me thing, I do very strongly believe that the card he received was likely to be from the muck and especially the recently mucked hand.
Anyway, I ask him if we can just move on to the next hand so that we aren't wasting the time of 5 other people and have them check the camera. If they think the card he received was likely a viable card, then that's the end of it and I will pay. If it very clearly wasn't, then I asked if we could just equity chop the 2nd half of the pot (and including dead 86542) instead of waiting around hoping the person looking at the camera could clearly identify what part of the pile contains the actual deck. So at the time I thought the equity chop offer for the 2nd half is fair but in the morning I decided it wasn't and I felt really guilty for asking about it. Opponent is a great guy and would never try to angle anyone for a cent and I wouldn't intentionally, but felt like this might be somehow?
So while we are still in our "wtf do we do?" mode, someone says something like "hey, it's fine if you guys wanna do XYZ, but I'm nearly certain these cards are part of the deck" and peels off a card from where he's pointing and it's a 5 again. So the situation resolved itself here and I'm obviously now completely fine to chop the pot as I 100% trust the player that did this. I don't care at all whether my opponent received the 1st, 2nd, or 9th card from the deck. I just wanted to have some confidence that he received one of the cards he actually should have been able to receive.
Except obviously when the respected player peels a random card off the almost surely remaining deck, it's almost always going to be a brick, and then my opponent and I are back in the same situation. I guess my hope is that they would check the camera and just conclusively say that the first 5 was a card he could actually receive so I could pay. Unless they could conclusively say it came from the muck, I am obviously paying. So no matter what I am going to take some amount the worst of it, but I just wanted to get as little the worst of it as I could. And if they check the camera and are 100% sure the first 5 came from the muck and also feel they cannot identify any part of the deck, then wtf should we have done?
It's entirely possible I have some slight details wrong and in the off chance the other player reads this, he should feel more than welcome to correct me and say how he felt about the situation and what could have/should have happened. It was a few months ago and I was quite drunk so the whole thing is just a sloppy blur where I mostly just remember feeling guilty like I had taken a shot afterwards while at the time I was incredibly annoyed to have a nearly non functional person just snatch up a card that I felt was weighted to coming from a mucked hand and be like "ok here ya go the hand is over now" to decide the result of a 3 way all in and I just wanted to offer something fair for both of us while also ending the standstill that the poker game had come to. Like I'm really ok with getting ****ed in awkward spots every now and then, but for a 3 way all in is a hard one to swallow. And I really just have no idea what the most fair resolution for both of was.