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Old 10-29-2018, 04:53 PM   #1176
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Re: 2018 NC/LC THREAD - are we ever going to get a title?

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Is it?

Do you play live?
No, what's this live poker you speak of?
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:17 PM   #1177
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Doing too much learning without solvers is a poor use of time. (assuming you're not a beginner)
Hi BK!
Im kinda curious about this .
Without solver you attain a pretty nice level of expertise in poker right ?
are you saying the level of play u had before the coming of solver and after you studied the solver , there was a big gap of misapplyed strategy and so by default, a big gap of profitability of your play?
Can you quantify it ?

I mean if it’s only negligeable, probably means there is still hope for us regular players..?
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Old 10-29-2018, 08:50 PM   #1178
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Re: 2018 NC/LC THREAD - are we ever going to get a title?

My fundamentals were pretty dog**** but I was good at finding people worse than me and going from there.

I think there is great value in having top strategies to use vs thinking players. And learning them also helps navigate ****ty players too.

feel like i've already shared enough... no incentive to help people get better other than ego.
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Old 10-29-2018, 10:41 PM   #1179
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My fundamentals were pretty dog**** but I was good at finding people worse than me and going from there.

I think there is great value in having top strategies to use vs thinking players. And learning them also helps navigate ****ty players too.

feel like i've already shared enough... no incentive to help people get better other than ego.
+1 here
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Old 10-29-2018, 11:22 PM   #1180
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My fundamentals were pretty dog**** but I was good at finding people worse than me and going from there.
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I think there is great value in having top strategies to use vs thinking players. And learning them also helps navigate ****ty players too.
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feel like i've already shared enough... no incentive to help people get better other than ego.


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Old 10-30-2018, 10:59 AM   #1181
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feel like i've already shared enough... no incentive to help people get better other than ego.
LHE is dead anyway; you may as well gratify your ego.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:17 AM   #1182
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Why would anyone want to share this "top secret" information. This is a poker forum where people only talk about low content stuff, not discuss poker hands. When I first joined this forum I was shocked at all the people sharing our secrets.

Can you imagine if any more of this "super secret" information was shared? The 4 or 5 people who still read this forum could instantly become experts and invade the games you don't even play anymore.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:46 AM   #1183
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Here's the top secret information I've learned playing live PLO:

Make nuts. Start saying "pot" a bunch of times. Profit.
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Old 10-30-2018, 09:40 PM   #1184
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Here's the top secret information I've learned playing live PLO:



Make nuts. Start saying "pot" a bunch of times. Profit.


I prefer to say, “pot” a bunch of times and then make then nuts on the river.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:59 PM   #1185
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Why would anyone want to share this "top secret" information. This is a poker forum where people only talk about low content stuff, not discuss poker hands. When I first joined this forum I was shocked at all the people sharing our secrets.

Can you imagine if any more of this "super secret" information was shared? The 4 or 5 people who still read this forum could instantly become experts and invade the games you don't even play anymore.
pfft, what is this monkeysolver and piodriver.

no one studies poker. everyone knows everyone who beats the game (which is literally everyone) is god's gift.

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Old 11-06-2018, 07:16 PM   #1186
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Re: 2018 NC/LC THREAD - are we ever going to get a title?

Headed to Chicago later this week. Might find time to stop in at Horsehoe Hammond. Any one have the latest info on the limit Holdem scene there? Poker room take call ins?

Thanks.
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:40 AM   #1187
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Headed to Chicago later this week. Might find time to stop in at Horsehoe Hammond. Any one have the latest info on the limit Holdem scene there? Poker room take call ins?

Thanks.
The game has moved underground and runs Mondays and some Fridays. There have a massive 15 game 50/100 mix that I think runs Fridays and some Saturdays. The room is horrendously run and the rake is high.

3/6 still runs occasionally.
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:09 AM   #1188
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They moved a game underground to a place with a higher rake? Bizarre.
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Old 11-11-2018, 02:00 AM   #1189
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Out drinking and end up playing 1/2/5 PLOL. I make it 800 on the flop with another 500ish behind, someone calls for very little, and villain puts his stack in. Dealer deals out turn and river and I flip my cards up (set of 7s), other guy does too (set of aces), and then I realize the guy who shoved had a few hundred on top of my 800.

So I hadn't yet completed the action on the flop. I am intoxicated and haven't really yet figured out what's going on and say "wait a minute, I hadn't called the flop yet" expecting floor to get called to sort it out. Obviously I would have called. Villain says something like "oh like you wouldn't have made me put it all in if you'd won" and I point out that he's missing the point. Dealer pushes him the pot (with just my 800) and quickly starts moving onto the next hand, obviously because she doesn't want the floor to know how incompetent she is. Villain seems satisfied to scoop what's in the middle (without the extra couple hundred) and I don't really care since I probably saved a few hundo and don't really want to get the dealer in trouble or be the drunk ******* even though she probably shouldn't be dealing poker.

Perhaps the play here among gentlemen would be to just pay out his all in if I knew I could expect the same from him. But I don't know villain, and had I sucked out, he could have demanded we complete the flop action and get a new turn and river?

Should I have insisted on calling the floor?
In a real poker game with a person I know well, I'm absolutely paying them the full amount if I believe they'd pay me the full amount in a situation where we are very obviously stacking off always. Not calling the floor. Just giving them however many thousand it is. Have been on both the giving and receiving end of a handful of these the past few months in $50 to $100 blind big bet games. It's actually a bit embarrassing how many honor system pay backs I have seen or been a part of considering how much money we are playing for, but I'm really happy and fortunate to play with honest people and people who trust me

In a random 1dollar/2dollar game, my assumption would be that they will very rarely pay me when the situation is reversed. Use your moral compass and decide if you want to freeroll yourself.



I had a ridiculous one that I felt really ****ty about when I woke up the next day, not really sure how it should have been handled or if I actually had any reason to feel bad.

50/50 blind PL 2-7 triple draw. Some action and 3 way all in on first draw I believe, sb gets all in with 86542 and pats, I have 76542 and pat, utg has 87432 and breaks. I was quite drunk so from this point on it gets cloudy. I assume utg gets 1 card for the 2nd draw then we agree to run the river twice after sb and I go pat/pat until the last draw. Anyway, the dealer gives him his first card and before either of us can do anything she's just got the deck on the table seemingly mixed with the muck.

He and I are trying to figure out what the fair way to get him his 2nd river is when an exceptionally drunk and stuck rec reaches and grabs a card from the end of the pile and it's a 5 so he'd have a wheel. Are we ok with this just being the result and chopping? Obviously I'm not particularly pleased about someone just grabbing a random card because the 3rd all in player (holding a 6 and a 5) has just mucked and it's quite likely his cards would be at the edge of the muck where she's grabbed this random but maybe not so random card from. I don't remember if he actually tabled the 86542 or flashed it to us. In hindsight, if he had tabled, we could just check the camera to see if the 5 he received was the one the 3rd player just showed or not and that could have been the end of it if it wasn't the dead 5. And yes, if he bricked off, I would be 100% on board with him wanting to make sure he received a fair card. This isn't a sour grapes, oh he 4 outted me thing, I do very strongly believe that the card he received was likely to be from the muck and especially the recently mucked hand.

Anyway, I ask him if we can just move on to the next hand so that we aren't wasting the time of 5 other people and have them check the camera. If they think the card he received was likely a viable card, then that's the end of it and I will pay. If it very clearly wasn't, then I asked if we could just equity chop the 2nd half of the pot (and including dead 86542) instead of waiting around hoping the person looking at the camera could clearly identify what part of the pile contains the actual deck. So at the time I thought the equity chop offer for the 2nd half is fair but in the morning I decided it wasn't and I felt really guilty for asking about it. Opponent is a great guy and would never try to angle anyone for a cent and I wouldn't intentionally, but felt like this might be somehow?

So while we are still in our "wtf do we do?" mode, someone says something like "hey, it's fine if you guys wanna do XYZ, but I'm nearly certain these cards are part of the deck" and peels off a card from where he's pointing and it's a 5 again. So the situation resolved itself here and I'm obviously now completely fine to chop the pot as I 100% trust the player that did this. I don't care at all whether my opponent received the 1st, 2nd, or 9th card from the deck. I just wanted to have some confidence that he received one of the cards he actually should have been able to receive.

Except obviously when the respected player peels a random card off the almost surely remaining deck, it's almost always going to be a brick, and then my opponent and I are back in the same situation. I guess my hope is that they would check the camera and just conclusively say that the first 5 was a card he could actually receive so I could pay. Unless they could conclusively say it came from the muck, I am obviously paying. So no matter what I am going to take some amount the worst of it, but I just wanted to get as little the worst of it as I could. And if they check the camera and are 100% sure the first 5 came from the muck and also feel they cannot identify any part of the deck, then wtf should we have done?

It's entirely possible I have some slight details wrong and in the off chance the other player reads this, he should feel more than welcome to correct me and say how he felt about the situation and what could have/should have happened. It was a few months ago and I was quite drunk so the whole thing is just a sloppy blur where I mostly just remember feeling guilty like I had taken a shot afterwards while at the time I was incredibly annoyed to have a nearly non functional person just snatch up a card that I felt was weighted to coming from a mucked hand and be like "ok here ya go the hand is over now" to decide the result of a 3 way all in and I just wanted to offer something fair for both of us while also ending the standstill that the poker game had come to. Like I'm really ok with getting ****ed in awkward spots every now and then, but for a 3 way all in is a hard one to swallow. And I really just have no idea what the most fair resolution for both of was.
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Old 11-11-2018, 02:20 AM   #1190
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Seems like the solution is to void any and all floor decisions coming from other players at the table without agreement/confirmation from the players in the hand. That doesn't help for the past tho.
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Old 11-11-2018, 03:50 AM   #1191
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Trying to "run it twice" in a triple draw game sounds like just asking for trouble, is that done often in the games you play? Doing it when a 3rd player is also all in for part of the pot sounds even worse. Maybe it couldn't hurt the third player in this particular case, but it seems like it could in some instances, and he's not going to know for sure that it isn't hurting him this time.
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Old 11-11-2018, 02:18 PM   #1192
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You can do a rough equity chop for 1/2 the pot. Since other player pat and you only took 1 pretty easy to do with your 2 hands - your discard / his. Bricks as dead cards
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:04 AM   #1193
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Seems like the solution is to void any and all floor decisions coming from other players at the table without agreement/confirmation from the players in the hand. That doesn't help for the past tho.
Yes. The the dealer just doing their job correctly in the first place would have helped the most. If I was a dealer I feel like I'd probably try to make sure I didnt make a catastrophic error in a 3 way all in ever, but that's just me. To be clear, we were all ok with the 2nd person pulling a card off the deck. It just happened to be incredibly lucky that it was a 5 and totally resolved the issue, most of the time we will be right back where we started

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Trying to "run it twice" in a triple draw game sounds like just asking for trouble, is that done often in the games you play? Doing it when a 3rd player is also all in for part of the pot sounds even worse. Maybe it couldn't hurt the third player in this particular case, but it seems like it could in some instances, and he's not going to know for sure that it isn't hurting him this time.
Happens all the time. Causes no trouble as long as there are no dealer errors. Every all in player is allowed to ask for run it X. If everyone agrees, they do it. If there is any disagreement, they run it once. Only the river can be run more than once in draw games.

Run it 2+ times causes significantly more issues in split pot games in my experience. I honestly cant remember how many times I've seen a plo8 or big o pot chopped in some way only for me or another person to realize after the hand that it was split incorrectly and for someone to have to pay back or pay more multiple hands later. A decent amount of people only go once in split pot games for this reason. I never ran anything twice in my life until very late last year or early this year just because it makes other people happy and I cant stand running it twice in split pot games. My pet peeve is someone trying to be table captain and just saying 3/8 or 5/8 or whatever at the end of a 3 way all in and telling who to pay what with no money in the middle like there is some kind of race to get to the next hand. Even very sharp people make mistakes here all the time. Takes at most just a few more seconds to properly award both halves for both boards once the stacks are in the middle in a cap game, so unless I am 100% sure what the payouts are, I ask the dealer to bring the money in

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You can do a rough equity chop for 1/2 the pot. Since other player pat and you only took 1 pretty easy to do with your 2 hands - your discard / his. Bricks as dead cards
Thanks. Assuming I represented what I offered my opponent correctly here, i feel better about it. Even typing it i felt fine about it so maybe I am forgetting some detail that made me feel bad about it at the time, but pretty sure it happened like this. Was just trying to get through a bad situation as fast and as fairly as possible.
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Old 11-14-2018, 01:58 PM   #1194
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playing online and sometimes my son likes to hit the buttons. second draw in a-5 and its 3-1 spot. i check he bets and my son says i want to hit the buttons. I say ok hit the red button (fold) and he check raises. Since he doesn't know how to discard he pats and barrells off and scoops. Next hand in small blind get dealt something terrible and button opens. I say hit the red button and he says ok, then he 3 bets and giggles for 15 seconds before patting. Barrells off and scoops. Next hand he gets dealt pat 8 barrells it off and game breaks, lol.
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Old 11-14-2018, 02:03 PM   #1195
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playing online and sometimes my son likes to hit the buttons. second draw in a-5 and its 3-1 spot. i check he bets and my son says i want to hit the buttons. I say ok hit the red button (fold) and he check raises. Since he doesn't know how to discard he pats and barrells off and scoops. Next hand in small blind get dealt something terrible and button opens. I say hit the red button and he says ok, then he 3 bets and giggles for 15 seconds before patting. Barrells off and scoops. Next hand he gets dealt pat 8 barrells it off and game breaks, lol.


Classic but what’s your excuse when you do this at the casino and he’s not around?


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