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Old 08-25-2018, 03:56 PM   #1076
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Re: 2018 NC/LC THREAD - are we ever going to get a title?

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I think had the floor been called, the correct decision is to complete the flop action, and assuming you call, shuffle the turn and river back into the deck and re-deal them. In this case it may be obvious that you are calling, but the floor should not be making decisions for players, especially when it is not so clear cut.

Assuming the floor will rule a re-deal, you only need like 15%+ equity on the flop for calling the floor to be +ev, right? Up to you whether you think that is bad etiquette, but I wouldn't assume a stranger would not do the same to you.
I'm confused. Most likely there were some sort of backdoor redraws not mentioned, but all I saw was that Hero had an underset. One out twice is obviously not 15% equity.

It sucks for the guy with aces because he had every reason to think the hand was over, so if he's OK with taking the $800 graciously then so be it. If he wants to press the point for the last $200, then so be it. It's not clear to me that Hero is getting odds, since a naked underset has around 6% equity. It sounds like he's facing around $300 more to win around $2200, so it would all depend on the redraws.



We need to know the SPR to judge whether it's OK to stack off with middle or bottom set, but the fact that OP didn't mention the SPR or his reasoning means he's stacking off way too lightly in PLO. If SPR was above about 4, then stacking off with a bare underset is really bad.

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Old 08-25-2018, 03:58 PM   #1077
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our local cardroom has a dumbass thing with $1 chips where even at 5/10 they play but only in multiples of 5.
That part is completely standard

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but half the time people wont put in their blue chips if they lose, or half the time they wont want the blue chips if they win. its a super inefficient means of angling the **** out of regs
Yeah, that part is stupid. The dealer should require them to put in all sets of 5x$1 when action is all-in. If the winner doesn't want to collect them then OK, whatever, no need to worry about $5 in chip passing I suppose. But eligible chips should always play all-in. The ones less than $5 aren't eligible.
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Old 08-25-2018, 04:19 PM   #1078
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but the fact that OP didn't mention the SPR or his reasoning means he's stacking off way too lightly in PLO.
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Old 08-26-2018, 01:32 AM   #1079
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Re: 2018 NC/LC THREAD - are we ever going to get a title?

never encountered this before:
playing 3 handed, bb takes break, when i'm on btn. me and other player decide to fit in even # of hu hands planning to resume 3handed where we left off.
i post bb, we play one hu hand, and player comes back with another player sitting directly to my left (i'm on btn). player to my left posts bb (2 bb's). i currently have to post sb on btn.
should a new player have the ability to post bb in between so he can post sb on btn next hand?
should i have to post blinds 4 times in a row (3 of them oop)?
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Old 08-26-2018, 05:26 PM   #1080
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I'm confused. Most likely there were some sort of backdoor redraws not mentioned, but all I saw was that Hero had an underset. One out twice is obviously not 15% equity.
This is a PLO hand where we are told hero and villain have sets. We have no idea what the board or hands are. I did not say that hero has 15% equity; I said if he has 15% equity it can be +ev to pay to run it again. It is not outside of the realm of reason that his hand can have >15% equity against a higher set.
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Old 08-26-2018, 05:43 PM   #1081
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Yeah, he could be a favorite with 9877cc vs AA33 no club on Ac7h6c, but overall middle set is a huge dog to top set. But the point of the story is not strategic analysis, so I'll leave it there.
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:03 AM   #1082
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never encountered this before:
playing 3 handed, bb takes break, when i'm on btn. me and other player decide to fit in even # of hu hands planning to resume 3handed where we left off.
i post bb, we play one hu hand, and player comes back with another player sitting directly to my left (i'm on btn). player to my left posts bb (2 bb's). i currently have to post sb on btn.
should a new player have the ability to post bb in between so he can post sb on btn next hand?
should i have to post blinds 4 times in a row (3 of them oop)?
I'm not sure how online sites do it, but I don't really see another way of doing it that makes sense.

So we were in seats 5 (you), 6 (new player), and 7 (me).
You paid SB, I paid BB, and after that hand everyone else took a break.

I just paid BB so now I have to be SB on the button in heads up play, and you're BB OOP.

After that hand, button passes back to you and you're SB on the button and I'm BB. Now 6 wants in.

If the rule was that he has to buy the button to get in, you'd still have to be SB OTB because you just paid your BB - you can't pay BB twice before paying your next SB.

Additionally, if he had to buy the button, then there would just be two BB's next hand (me and seat 1).

However, he doesn't have to buy the button at Canterbury. Any time play moves from heads up to 3-handed, the new player is allowed to post a BB in any position - because regardless of his position, the first hand of 3-handed play will be SB otb, BB, BB, and the next hand will be SB otb, SB, BB.
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:17 AM   #1083
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online, (which is the right and fair way), we'd play another hu hand. the new player (J) would have to sit out one hand with you in bb and me on btn sb. then the following hand, i'd keep btn, you'd be sb, and new player (J) would take bb.
an easy way to look at it, is the game should continue exactly where it left off before we played an even number of hu hands.
as it happened, we both got screwed, and i got screwed even more. the other new player (L) should NEVER be able to post bb in between so he can post sb on btn. he either has to buy the btn or wait a round.

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Old 08-27-2018, 07:13 AM   #1084
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The player on my right would be BB and I'd be SB?

Isn't he still posting between then, just 1 hand later?
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:40 AM   #1085
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no the player on your left would be bb. the player to your right shouldn't be able to post in between. online. if canterbury allows it, it's a terrible rule.
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Old 08-27-2018, 11:02 PM   #1086
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Sounds like another one of the joys of the forward-moving button rule.
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Old 08-28-2018, 01:25 AM   #1087
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I see that Talking Stick card room is shut down from a storm. Is there a place on here people are talking about it? Did they relocate the poker room to their other Casino? I've heard it may not open until October.
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Old 08-28-2018, 01:35 AM   #1088
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That is correct. No they have not relocated their poker room. The action has moved to Gila River casino, which used to get 10-15 games during peak hours, and now has 25 games (the max) a lot of the time. Game quality seems slightly worse as the good players will make the change, but a lot of the bad regs I see on Saturdays at CAZ I haven't seen at Gila River.

Gila River Thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...nix-az-619393/
CAZ Thread (Post #6089 first mention of the issue): https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...faq-op-758800/
NVG CAZ Storm Thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...oding-1720158/
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Old 08-31-2018, 04:43 PM   #1089
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That is correct. No they have not relocated their poker room. The action has moved to Gila River casino, which used to get 10-15 games during peak hours, and now has 25 games (the max) a lot of the time. Game quality seems slightly worse as the good players will make the change, but a lot of the bad regs I see on Saturdays at CAZ I haven't seen at Gila River.

Gila River Thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...nix-az-619393/
CAZ Thread (Post #6089 first mention of the issue): https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...faq-op-758800/
NVG CAZ Storm Thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...oding-1720158/
Thanks!

I'm surprised there isn't more conversation about this. I know there is a bunch of Talking Stick players who frequent this forum.
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Old 08-31-2018, 06:59 PM   #1090
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Eh, we can't do much about it. So we move the games 20 miles south and make sidebets on when it will reopen.
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Old 09-01-2018, 12:58 PM   #1091
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CAZ should open a temporary room in their other location. Some of the players might ending up deciding that they like Wildhorse better.
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Old 09-14-2018, 08:40 PM   #1092
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CAZ should open a temporary room in their other location. Some of the players might ending up deciding that they like Wildhorse better.
I don't get why they didn't do this. I think it's gonna be slow when they do eventually reopen. I think the games are gonna suck for a while. Maybe they decide to put slots in there instead of poker.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:37 AM   #1093
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I think it'll go back to business as usual once it reopens. I'd be quite surprised if wild horse was able to keep any extra business. If people chose not to play at whp before, there's no reason to continue playing there once caz reopens. It makes sense for all the games to be in one place. Caz is the only room big enough to support all the games and the location is better for the majority of people.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:45 AM   #1094
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I think the 20 game on average has been worse at WHP than at CAZ, but I could be wrong/sample size.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:54 PM   #1095
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People play where the games are, almost no matter how bad the location. Witness Bellagio. Big efforts were made to get the games moved to no avail. If enough players decide they would rather stay at Wildhorse it will be hard to dislodge them.
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:01 AM   #1096
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I think it'll go back to business as usual once it reopens. I'd be quite surprised if wild horse was able to keep any extra business. If people chose not to play at whp before, there's no reason to continue playing there once caz reopens. It makes sense for all the games to be in one place. Caz is the only room big enough to support all the games and the location is better for the majority of people.
You're probably right. People are creatures of habit. I'm sure there are a lot of people anxiously awaiting it's reopening.

I'm wondering if it's gonna be a big to do with a grand reopening.
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Old 10-01-2018, 09:39 AM   #1097
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This forum seems to be shrinking. Is there another forum people go to these day's? Or are limit forums just not a thing anymore?
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Old 10-01-2018, 10:19 PM   #1098
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Not a thing afaik.
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Old 10-01-2018, 10:50 PM   #1099
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just not a thing anymore
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Old 10-02-2018, 06:38 PM   #1100
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It's not just limit, it is poker. I would be shocked to learn of many forums on 2p2 that have seen a year over year increase in traffic. Sports threads are slower seems to be the biggest indication of this to me.
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