oh god, you said the trigger word, now all hell is going to break loose.

Naive question about solvers: In any 20/40 game I'd want to keep playing, people are making very visible mistakes--a few cold calling, open limping, etc. Many aren't but I'm in fewer pots against them.

I can see how solvers help against good players whom I'm going to see again and again. I don't want to play GTO there but it's a good starting point. Against bad or mediocre players, I'd be giving up way too much to play GTO and frankly think it might just be a distraction.

This would be even truer if I moved to where the 20 and above games are better, by which I mean California (and occasionally the Bellagio). But I still see many obvious mistakes in WA.

Am I misunderstanding the value of solvers? Do they go way beyond GTO?

Yep, I do also have cronies; that word choice was not meant as an insult. But my cronies don't get special privileges in the forum.

(1) it was quite the con. I challenged my friend to play HU LATB then texted him it was me. nefarious indeed
(2) i picked this username because i think you need to chill a little more.
(3) you keep talking about me mocking the site owners and thats an absurd position. They suggest you should check QQ 8 ways pre and I start a thread that asks if we should check QQ 8 ways pre. Rob- o my god jon is mocking people, Babar should ban him for that but obviously he won't for god knows what reasons, its clearly a bannable offense.

(1) Maybe that was your reasoning, but it fooled many people into thinking your new account was the same as the original one, resulting in unproductive confusion on the site.
(2) Whatevs
(3) You clearly mocked him, both with the thread you started and many other posts. Even if his strategy was poor, it was silly to think it was a good idea to launch an extended mockery of the site owner. Then you started mocking me for defending some of his strategy posts, so I complained to the moderators about it. It was not my doing to get your duplicate account banned, the site owner was upset by the disrespect and decided to take action about it.
(3a) BBB did give me a temp ban for mocking you, which I had not seen him do for anyone mocking anyone else before (obviously I am more likely to notice my own banning than that of others, but I don't think it was a common occurance).

The way I look at it is even bad players do confusing things and you end up in a spot where you aren’t sure what to do. You can either try to soul read the guy (which might be a fine idea) or you can have a “default” which you know is backed up by gto principles. If you choose the latter and have a bad session you can be comforted in knowing you just ran poorly that day. A lot of Poker is being able to know if the plays you made were actually correct and you ran poorly or they were bad plays and you deserved to lose. You get that wrong enough times and you are busto

FWIW, I had some discussions with Phil Newell on this subject when his book came out. He felt very strongly that even if you are going to be extremely exploitative in a given situation, it's still useful to know what the optimal play so you get the exploitative adjustment right.

This is one of the saddest things I've seen on the internet today.

The forum is in a sad state. I'm trying to improve it by getting the problems out in the open instead of sweeping them under the rug. Everything I have said is accurate, and hasn't even been denied by the mods because they know it is correct.

Posting good advise strategy would probably do more to improve the forum than constantly crying about troll accounts that provide more content than you could possibly realize or the gramtical mistakes I make

Fwiw I know quite a few people that found the dead.money account amusing which is all I was ever going for.

I regularly post the best advice I can, often expressing disagreement without mockery. Too bad you can't bring yourself to do the same since you staged your protest walkout.

Oh, no, almost everything you said is completely wrong. I just don't see much point in arguing. Neither of us is going to change the other person's mind, and I think you probably enjoy the process too much.

I want a LHE crony. Will someone be my crony?

I would settle for a cronut though.

Well, we have met before, so that means we're cronies!

Calling me a liar in a roundabout way with no explanation or specific refutation.

Standard.

I think we met before as well. But I'm not special enough for the special rules to apply to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU-md4Zi0_8

I don't want a cronie, I just want the money.

He said you were wrong not a liar. Those are not the same.


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Which is more likely to be true:

(A) This forum has lost steam because ***** ******* is an ******* and because of this one of the best limit hold'em players in the world got banned for disagreeing with him.

(B) Limit hold'em is in decline, and midstakes games are found in fewer and fewer places live and games are disappearing dramatically online, and the decline in the forum corresponds to this.

(***** ******* is an *******, but they have always been one, and people have been banned for butting heads with them since day one of these forums. But that didn't stop 2+2's dramatic growth, even before the poker boom, and in my opinion it isn't a significant factor now.)

Of course it is B. This isn't the only forum dying on 2p2. Season long sports threads are getting fewer and fewer posts each year. Casino specific threads get few posts. The podcast forum rarely gets more than 10 posts an episode.

Last week I told BBB and DougL they were welcome to ban me, but they didn't take me up on it. Am I going to lose my cronie badge?

You are not improving my experience.

The decline of limit holdem is certainly the main reason the forum has lost steam. However, I still think there are plenty of people who enjoy talking poker. The problem is it's a dominoe affect. If people log on and see new posts they will continue to log on. If the posts start to decline people become discouraged because there isn't anything new so they don't log on as much. People who do post don't get a lot of responses because people aren't expecting there to be new posts.

I don't know how the business of forums work. Maybe this forum isn't important. I would expect more participation by mods and administrators to help stimulate discussion.......DougL chimes in quite often and it's much appreciated. Mason also chimes in from time to time.

I'm just saying this forum could be active given the responses I have seen and the people I have talked to. It will never get back to the good old day's when you could post a hand and get 20 responses from 20 great players in the same day.

I hope this was an interesting take!