ignition = bovada = bodog

acr/bcp or one of the private sites is prob best bet for limit games now, if you don't count ignition/bodog/bovada

yeah, i switched to ignition after bovada got rid of poker. haven't played online in about a year, but am looking into both again since bovada brought poker back, but games seem dried up on both sites.

It's the same site/playerpool. just a different name

i was told player pools were different. why is the cashier different (funds on bovada but none on ignition)?
tho, i guess you could be right, being that i couldn't open both at the same time.

This is referring to online only, right, or to at least mid-high stakes (above say 40/80)? To my knowledge there are places with lucrative mid-limit LHE games (large CA rooms, often WA, occasionally LV). Don't know about East Coast but guessing some of those are good too.

Curious about the current status of LHE games at Commerce, Bay 101, Oaks, Bellagio non-WSOP months, East Coast, etc.

That said, those are only selected areas of the USA. I'm sure midstakes NLHE is more lucrative than midstakes LHE, but I don't enjoy it as much (especially the culture around it). I'm sure midstakes PLO is more lucrative than midstakes LHE and enjoy it, so I'm learning how to play it, but the variance is irritating. I find midstakes limit non-HE to be fairly juicy sometimes and I enjoy it.

But there's vastly more educational material on LHE, all of it quite old, yet not so overwhelmingly much as NLHE. I find it a fun game to try to get better at.

My home room is canterbury in MN. I play 20 and it's a good game but there are some good players and the fish are spazzy so it can be tough if you run bad.

I travel to L.A. frequently, 9 times in 28 months, to play LHE at The Bike. The 20 half kill game is a complete joke and someone as mediocre as me is beating that game for 2 bets an hour over a 400+ hour sample. They recently started a 40 that runs most days. When that game goes it's perhaps even better than the 20 because the people with even more money play it. LHE is alive and well in L.A.

Thanks. I thought that epitaph sounded weird, but if you're online-only, nosebleed stakes, or geographically remote then I can see how it's true.

Yeah i was speaking about online.

At the Oaks Club in Emeryville, California, LHE is in a strange state. They spread a 40-80 game every day, basically the same player lineup as the 30-60 used to have, and it seems to be completely separate game ecology from the rest of the games in the club. 3-6 and 6-12 go pretty much around the clock, but there is no path for grinders to climb from those games to the 40-80. The 15-30 is dead. I hear rumors about a 10-20, but it is never spread. The Oaks is now an NLHE club.

Sorry to hear that. I played a few hours on a midweek afternoon in the Oaks 15-30 maybe 18 months ago and it was a gold mine. How tough is the 40-80?

(Might be moving to that area....)

I loved the 15/30 there also. Did they try to change it to a 20/40 then or died? Thought maybe I heard that but didn't remember for sure.

It still has a place on the board for 15-30, not 20-40.

I've never actually played the 40-80, but it has the same lineup of players as the old 30-60. I would rate it as being on the same level as the Bay 101 40, but a bit tougher than the Commerce 40.

It sure is quiet around here.

... Too quiet!

Isn't that basically the same as Blackhawk in Colorado? 2-3 30/60 or 50/100 games, and then what, a 4/8 LHE?

Even in Vegas there isn't a strong feeder economy to get to the 20/40 and 40/80. I guess you do 2/4 at Flamingo, 1 game of 4/8 and 10/20 at Bellagio, or 8/16 at Orleans to get to the 20/40+.

i'm pretty sure the 40/80 mix game in minnesota makes the 20/40 lhe game stronger and juicier as the 20/40 players don't have a 'higher game' that runs very often where they could dust it quicker than normal. The money gets passed around more.

Yes i know the 40/80 LHE runs like twice a month..it's just not enough to make much difference i dont think.

The 15/30 died a long time ago, way before they tried to change it to 20/40, and if it wasn't dead it was at least was put on a ventilator.

Too bad, I played it the last time I was in town, but that was 2 years ago.

Like bbb said, you are gonna find a lot more action at a variety of different stakes/variants on the private sites than you are on any of the offshore US facing sites

Just curious for people that saying live are more +ev than online these day. I hope you guys aren't like tourney players that just pull up prize money. I mean factoring in travel expense/times in traffic/death by boredom/holding in your pee/****/IQ dropping. Anyway I will keep you guys update on when I will make the switch to another game or play live

This is precisely why live poker is superior. You need to be a very special weirdo to grind poker sitting at home alone on a computer for years and years.

How can you ever get bored playing live, with all the colorful characters who inhabit poker rooms on hand to entertain you?

Besides, there are TV screens to watch. Sports! CNBC! Late-night infomercials!

Clearly the win-win scenario is to hire a few poker players to come and talk with you while you grind online.

I don't get why posting strategic limit hands isn't more encouraged here. I get that limit isn't as popular as it used to be but there are still bunch of people who play limit. There are some who "don't want to give free information" which I think is hogwash. The information is out there already. Do people just not enjoy discussing limit hands anymore? Have some of the ex posters passed on or quit playing limit? I don't get it. I talk strat with players all the time in live games. I'm sure they'd love to participate in an active forum.

I tried to inject some life into the forum a while back but was told not to post for a few day's. This makes no sense to me on such a low traffic forum. As you can see, we went from about a post a day to nothing. I have since found other more effecient way's to use my study time.

I'm curious if there are others out there who would like to get back to posting, responding, and discussing hands. I'd be willing to do my part.