I thought we're not supposed to shoot for 1.8x cashes in MTT's. Just kidding, quite an accomplishment to money in that field. Well deserved of course.

Currently strongly considering a return to rugby for Fall. Being the slow old guy might be interesting.

Depends on whether the buy-in is $50, $500, or $50K. In the $50 MTT, it isn't worth your while.

Good point. It's funny to think that a mincash there (which DD exceeded) would net a nice bankroll for the stakes I play.

For a nerdier point, in an 87 player tournament with ~15% (14) paid will have a sharper bubble than other WSOP events which means bubble dynamics play closer to people's visceral feelings of preserving tournament life.

They are actually running LHE single-table satellites at the WSOP for tomorrow's LHE event. Wish I knew anything about LHE tournament play.

You know plenty to crush those and should play (if it's worth your time). I've played a few triple draw sats and the players were bad. Also as I said above the players in the 8-game were terrible at LHE. This isn't a bunch of experts playing a $265 or $500 or whatever.

Don't have a well-honed ICM intuition? Good news. ICM doesn't matter! I think those are for one seat so it's a big freezeout cash game that goes until one player wins all the money. If 2nd pays a little pittance, that hardly changes things for ICM.

(If it's a multiseat sat, that's entirely different as now it's extremely about ICM. Don't think it is, but that needs a different crash course.)

Short-stacking LHE is probably a bit unfamiliar but mostly intuitive. Implied odds don't matter so you'd call off your last small bet extremely wide (probably ATC in most spots) in the big blind against a raise. Etc.

The only other tournament-theoretical point is to pass up a very small edge if not busting out lets you realize the value of your skills to create bigger edges later. Even though your skills edge will be great, the format is fast so you shouldn't worry too much about this. You can bust out and go play cash LHE at the Bellagio or play NLHE sats against horrible players or whatever. That point only applies if there's no other poker in town and you have to wait a long time for the next tournament to start.

These STT's (single table tournaments) officially pay 1 winner, 3 lammers worth $500 each to buy in to any WSOP event. But they are often chopped 2 or even 3 ways. Even though the format of the STT would be LHE I can use the lammers for anything.

I've only played 1 LHE tournament in my life and that was by accident. Literally the very first hand I got JJ utg and raised 3x blinds. That's when I got the bad news.

The bracelet event starts at 11 with late reg until 9 pm. Maybe I'll head down in the morning to see if any STT's are running.

Oh yeah, chopping.

People are horrible at chopping. Someday I'll tell my story again but basically when the stakes get high in later rounds they're convinced it's not just a crapshoot but that everyone has an equal chance regardless of stack size.

So yeah, try to win all the chips, but if you're behind and 2-3 are left, start dealing for a profitable chop.

Starting on time is fun but for profit, it's perfectly respectable to wait until level 8 or whatever and buy in for 7.5 big bets. Just play smart and either get a real chip stack or invest minimal time busting out. Phil Ivey did that in the 8-game last week.

Theoretically, t7500 has greater value in level 8 than in level 1, I think.

The rule of thumb is: a chip won is worth less than a chip lost. So basically if a decision is close between raise and call, you should call. Otherwise just play lhe poker.

You can't apply ICM rules of thumb to a one-prize tournament. Every single chip is equal.

my bad, I didn't realize it was a one-prize structure

It seems to me that in a tournament with only one prize you would want to gamble it up more than usual. In a cash game I'm happy to be the solid player who is the second biggest winner in a certain time span, while whoever is the luckiest donkey wins the most.
But that's not going to help me if second place wins nothing.

But, as I said, the satties are often chopped.

What the heck, if I win a satellite I might play the bracelet event anyway. I mean, didn't that zomg character win a bracelet? How hard can it be?

The sheer fact that tournament poker is conducive to nitty folding is one of many reasons why I hate tournament poker.

+1

Don't worry, one of the worst players in our 20/40 Hold'em game has gone deep in multiple LHE events.

2nd in 10k LHE
4th in 1500 LHE
12th in 3k 6max LHE

ICM isn't a factor but your conclusion is incorrect.

Well, I went down to the satellite area and I was literally the only person there besides the dealers. I waited until 9:30 for anyone to show up and then gave up. It makes sense, nobody is going to play a satty for a $1500 tournament. That's basically one 20/40 buy-in.

I was talking to a dealer there and he said in his 7 years of dealing the WSOP STT's he's never seen a LHE satty start.

Does that mean you're going to give it a try?

Stop bragging.


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W the flat payouts right up until the big money where the jumps are large, ICM only seemed to matter on the bubble and when you're near the big money. I hadn't played a wsop in 2 years, didn't really research the effect of these payouts, and played the dealers choice.

We had to play until like 8pm on day 2 to make the money and the pay jumps were puny. After the next dozen or so short stacks busted really quickly, I still played more passive than in a cash game, but once I got semi-short, I was looking to play a high variance spot and gii to try and build a stack that could get me decent money. Partly bc I was not among the top remaining players (I thought the field was tough for a 1500) and mostly bc the pay jumps when I busted were only like $1500 per every 4-5 eliminations.

Fun tourney and that's why I played it (along w the deuce, which I busted in 3 hours ending my cash streak at 3). But for money, it was better to play cash instead of the flat payouts esp cuz I'm not in the top 3-5% of any field. After seeing some of these NLHE prizepools, I wish I played those tourneys at a high level. I'm sure there are plenty of soft spots in the 1500 NLHE formats but I'd have to get hit w the deck to make decent money. After commiserating w an animated and frustrated full tilt guy for 2 hours after his bust deep in stud8, I was convinced that playing wsop tourneys for 20 years could in fact make one crazy. You have to treat your mind/body well to pull it off.

I did roll dice for the first time and didn't bet much money myself, but the guys I were with kept tipping me cuz they made a lot the 2nd time I rolled. But before I could roll a 3rd time, they got us kicked out of the pits bc one of them was too drunk and kept chest bumping people in celebration. I was the equivalent of the designated driver. So I tried to anticipate when he was gonna chest bump after a good roll and tried to take the brunt of it myself before he tried to celebrate w the table games supervisor for the last time. I got slightly lucky w some yellow blackjack action and I hit the airport slots for $1.02 before getting out of town just so that I could hand over my kids college fund to my square friends back home that probably can't even spell golden state or know where the capitals play.

Possibly misplayed hand that hurt in a game I called PL 2-7. Near the bubble I have almost 2x avg chips and dealt 97653 in CO. I 3x and BB (O8-oriented, taggy experienced lady has me slightly covered) defends. 1-pat x/bet 60%/c. 1-pat x/bet 75%/c. pat-pat sigh give up after looking for some sign she'd fold to a river bomb. Lose to 87632 and tell her she was lucky to hit that deuce lol. Everybody laughs longer than me. I guess I could've drawn to at most 3 outs, as I'm never good once she pats, but I tried to gauge the success of a river pot and opted not to. I'd prob give up in cash game too. gl to everybody playing the LHE

I wonder if I'll ever play another WSOP event in my life. I intended to go out to play 10k NL deuce and the main. Was too lazy to go for NL deuce. Then I wanted to play big bet mix because I forgot it existed but I'm having my house painted and couldn't leave town. Wynn sent me a free room offer that I can use from July 1-5 so it seems like I should at least go out for the main. Can't believe the cash games I've been missing too.

I always think i'm not going to play any more tournaments because of opportunity cost mostly and just loldonkaments but I'd be kidding myself if I didn't expect myself to change my mind and have a desire to fire a couple when the wsop comes around.

Yeah, cash games are around 12 months a year, but the WSOP is somewhat unique. In field size, if nothing else.

I went over to the $1500 LHE event to look around. LOL, there was a Negreanu fanboi that had been sitting next to him for who knows how many levels. He finally recognized him when Negreanu had a set of aces and this guy made a flush. He was just going nuts over Negreanu, and I thought he was about to bury his head in Negreanu's lap and go to town.

None of this makes any sense

How do you figure? If it's the Sklansky tournament life -> more chance to play with an edge issue you're technically correct but as discussed above IMO it doesn't really apply in a rapid STT in a town with 100s of other poker tables running.