Curious about the mix games course - that's the one on upswing, right?

Worth the money? Is it ever on sale?
How do you watch the videos? Download, or hosted directly by upswing, or hosted as private videos on YouTube?

The solver convo has been really interesting, but another thing I'm taking out of this is a chance to reflect on one of my life leaks: Spending too much time defending a position that I'm not really passionate about. (I guess I'm actually passionate that you shouldn't make belittling comments toward people who are investigating tools to improve their game.)



Anyway, this comparison came to mind:

I enjoy learning mixed games. Poker in my state is run by complete nincompoops, so I have access to draw games maybe one week a year, but I find them lots of fun. If I were maximizing earn, I'd concentrate on NLHE and/or PLO. And I'd probably have 2x the bankroll and play bigger, but would I be as happy?

It's more fun to be a fox, but it makes more money to be a slightly flexible hedgehog.
(You can always wait to learn a new game until you see your specialty drying up.)


Here's another example, more related to solvers. One of these days I want to dig deeper into The Mathematics of Poker. Some of the more basic chapters are useful at any stakes (why do we bluff the best of our bad hands?) but some of the advanced ones are of dubious application to my games. Still.... it's fascinating stuff.

For me buying a solver would be like spending lots of time in that book, or lots of time working on triple draw. I might do it for fun, but I can't claim an ROI.

Yes, I'm referring to the Upswing course. For me it was worth the money. I was gambling at really high stakes and playing even higher at table games. I'd feel really stupid if I didn't do it.

That said I'd probably put the course on par with something Sklansky and TwoPlusTwo should publish. Everything starts pre flop with opening ranges and everything evolves from there. JDalla was very analytical and thorough. I felt it didn't answer a bunch of hard and common spots I'd run into on the later streets, but it's not really about those blue moon spots. It's about playing fundamental solid poker.

I hear it might go on sale if you ask at the right time. YMMV. The videos are hosted by Upswing. You can't download them, but you can play them at higher speeds like YouTube videos. JDalla provides some cribnotes and there's a better set out there if you look hard enough. Hope this helps.

Fun hand, HU and button opens i defend J8o. Play hands at other table and realie I called 450 preflop, lol. Sneaky NL players.

Was he mad when you won the hand?

Rather than renting a server to run a solver, wouldn't it make sense to set it up on something like Amazon Web Services and then only pay for the computing time we actually use?

only for very large solves.

otherwise renting a server is better as far as i computed

So I canceled direct TV and switched to streaming. They calle some today and made an offer which seems good.

2 year contract. No install fee. First year is $25 a month with free Sunday ticket for year. Second year is $55 a month no Sunday ticket. 135 channels and free HBO for life while under contract. Also a $200 visa gift card.

I don’t see how they make much money off this but they got me for 2 years


It would cost me $200 to cancel after first year, so I cooks literally use gift card for that and I’m getting Sunday ticket, all channels and HBO for less than he 1 year price if Sunday ticket alone (which is a must have)

Who do you use for internet and how much is that costing you per month?

Who's providing the streaming?

We've been cord cutters for most of a decade. I run my office from home, so I have Comcast business service, which has no data cap. It has been a great experience.

Captain R claims that if you threaten to quit, you can always get some new customer deal with your current carrier. Takes time on the phone, but people swear by it.

It's true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination

If you can get some people who are willing to pay more to pay more, you generally would do so. There's really no reason for them to offer the "Please don't leave" rate to people who aren't upset enough to threaten to leave, just as there's no reason for the supermarket to offer coupon discounts to people who don't find it worthwhile to save coupons.

i figured everyone knew that. anyone that doesn't threaten their cable/internet service provider at least once every couple years, is lighting $ on fire.

I was curious about this too. bicyclekick, did you examine AWS's fairly new Lambda service? It seems like their value proposition is to only pay for calculations you're doing. But I have no idea how the pricing compares to server rental.

I am trying to learn some AWS stuff, so if anyone is interested in exploring this together, I'd be glad to collaborate, although it sounds like it may be of limited use to poker.

I barely looked at AWS.

AWS is super expensive lol. I ask to solve 6 max fully solution and was quote 5k a month with a ****ty 1tb computer and was expecting something like 3 month constant running to solve. Can't see how AWS will be any cheaper, most server is located in Europe which is cheaper. Looks like that time of year again for 8superpoker playing non-stop till Jan. I don't think he super bad or anything probably -5/BB. The least competence reg is probably +.5/BB sitting. Planning on doing a bunch of specific sims base on regs tendency against him 3way. I think my edge is 1/BB if I get jesus seat or two next.


thinking of making a month long visit to Toronto anyone interest in buying % of my 200/400 since the most I can probably feel comfy which is playing 100/200. Pm me if interested, If trial run is successful I probably will stay full winter on and off since it only 2 hour flight from boston.

It depends on what price you put on your time.

Like if you lived in Hawaii and needed to block off time for a 3 hour yellfest between 8 am and 5 pm Eastern time, your price point is a lot different than if you work flexible hours from home in the same time zone as the customer service claims it's in.

Watching a little youtube and I get a LATB link. What the heck, I watch to see if Jamie Gold actually makes the "Best fold ever". Hard to watch, given how bent these cards are. Did the Bike go find all the old KEM decks? Who would play for money with cards this bad?

Does anyone know how to get game trees for MonkerSolver for LHE?

Out drinking and end up playing 1/2/5 PLOL. I make it 800 on the flop with another 500ish behind, someone calls for very little, and villain puts his stack in. Dealer deals out turn and river and I flip my cards up (set of 7s), other guy does too (set of aces), and then I realize the guy who shoved had a few hundred on top of my 800.

So I hadn't yet completed the action on the flop. I am intoxicated and haven't really yet figured out what's going on and say "wait a minute, I hadn't called the flop yet" expecting floor to get called to sort it out. Obviously I would have called. Villain says something like "oh like you wouldn't have made me put it all in if you'd won" and I point out that he's missing the point. Dealer pushes him the pot (with just my 800) and quickly starts moving onto the next hand, obviously because she doesn't want the floor to know how incompetent she is. Villain seems satisfied to scoop what's in the middle (without the extra couple hundred) and I don't really care since I probably saved a few hundo and don't really want to get the dealer in trouble or be the drunk ******* even though she probably shouldn't be dealing poker.

Perhaps the play here among gentlemen would be to just pay out his all in if I knew I could expect the same from him. But I don't know villain, and had I sucked out, he could have demanded we complete the flop action and get a new turn and river?

Should I have insisted on calling the floor?

I think had the floor been called, the correct decision is to complete the flop action, and assuming you call, shuffle the turn and river back into the deck and re-deal them. In this case it may be obvious that you are calling, but the floor should not be making decisions for players, especially when it is not so clear cut.

Assuming the floor will rule a re-deal, you only need like 15%+ equity on the flop for calling the floor to be +ev, right? Up to you whether you think that is bad etiquette, but I wouldn't assume a stranger would not do the same to you.

Pay him

Seems like it worked out reasonably well for everyone. I probably would have let it go how it did as well.

That's the clearly incorrect play

i mean i'd prob default to paying cuz i think you fished it up more than he fished it up (lolalcohol) but you could just say "hey if i won i was only gonna collect $800 from you my bad" and if he makes a stickler out of it u can just call the floor for clarification, then apologize and buy him a beer or something.

unfortunate thing w live PLO is half the dealers are donks at counting stacks/counting pot so even if ur drunk u have to be kinda nitty just in terms of paying attn to stacks and stuff

our local cardroom has a dumbass thing with $1 chips where even at 5/10 they play but only in multiples of 5. but half the time people wont put in their blue chips if they lose, or half the time they wont want the blue chips if they win. its a super inefficient means of angling the **** out of regs and i've wondered if its worth making a fuss about, cuz i guarantee theres some people who will plop in the blue chips if they know they got the best hand but they will try and save their blue chips if they're chasing that flush draw.