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05-22-2018 , 10:14 PM
Those are some nice graphs and I'm sure at this point you're a boss at lhe and better than I...

Still... smallll sample size.

But I appreciate your contributions to the threads. Thanks.

Last edited by bicyclekick; 05-23-2018 at 12:58 AM.
05-23-2018 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyOnTilt
Im in the midst of a big upswing and donjuan had to come in and remind me im just running hot.

Seriously though, nice graphs.
Haha thanks

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Originally Posted by bicyclekick
Those are some nice graphs and I'm sure at this point you're a boss at lhe and better than I...

Still... smallll sample size
I think the problem with win rate is it really depend on opponent skill. In reality I should't be winning as much it just that people are literary making the worst kind of adjustment against me at head up on bodog. I didn't do anything special except try to play mix strategy gto( still mess up on turn/riv). My result has been meh on stars against other euro guys even though they still don't play "prefect pre". Natural I just have such a big advantage against U.S base player. Imagine waking up every morning at peak 8 am and playing against night time eastern time zone. By the time I take my afternoon nap and wake up people are just throwing me money when I sit. Another huge advantage is since I need to spend less time to "earning a living" 2.5k a month to survive here I can spend the rest of the time studying or reading to enhance skill gap. It actually not fair to the guys I am playing against but that the global economy we live in. Sadly this won't last long since I am moving back very soon. Dreading having to play night time and mess up with my sleep.

Btw how much would you guys be willing to pay for some lhe videos contend. I need to somehow make up for lost income once I move back.

very good book on sleep/affect brain/health recommend must read for any poker player https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Sleep-...rds=sleep+book

Last edited by DonJuan; 05-23-2018 at 01:06 AM.
05-23-2018 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
Sadly this won't last long since I am moving back very soon.
Moving to LA?

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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Someday I’ll have a winning month and be able to post my graph.
#livePokerLolaments

I'll be in vegas from the 25th-30th if yall are in town. Traveling for ~month after that... maybe back in vegas for tail end of july/wsop.
05-23-2018 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
Just to let you guys know even though my graphs looks great and I make good money I am not happy. I suffer from the pain of the past I would trade everything just to get the respect of all the big timer ex. Zomg.
You have do enjoy what you do or what's the point? You're clearly killing it so forge your own path. Someone once told me things actually get easier not harder in white chip land. I'm starting to believe that's true.
05-23-2018 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
Actually I won't be posting anymore graphs it just too much pain I suffer. It not fun winning money and not have any real 2+2 friends. The truth is I don't even like online poker and I dream of one day stepping in casino to meet all my idol but the fear of getting rejected keep holding me back it a vicious cycle.

Edit: I wasn't planning on posting my 6 max stats for fear of being look down. But if 2+2 taught me anything it that you have to be willing to hear criticism.

Do you have a 50% vpip at 6-max or am I reading this wrong?

Also, please don't stop posting graphs.
05-23-2018 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
Do you have a 50% vpip at 6-max or am I reading this wrong?

Also, please don't stop posting graphs.


Look at hands by position.
05-23-2018 , 07:36 AM
his vpip is weighted higher bc he has many more hands hu and 3way in that sample. just look at the hands tab.
05-23-2018 , 06:15 PM
Not sure how much limit holdem contend is really worth these days, considering the (relatively) low earnings ceiling compared to other games. I would think your best bet for coaching would be to market towards either A) really good Stars 8g players who are weakest at LHE or B) really good online LHE payers who want to become great. So small volume, high price point, intense work w advanced players.

Maybe there would be a market for 40/80+ live players, but I'd imagine they are playing in games where identifying opponents' tendencies and playing in a lot of spots that don't come up at all online are the most important things that determine their success - that seems difficult to coach.

I don't think marketing to general LHE/poker population would yield great results.
05-23-2018 , 11:04 PM
Maybe a student or two could pay you to help them with NL or PLO as you learn it.

That sounds a lot more useful than learning top notch lhe
05-24-2018 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MacauBound
Not sure how much limit holdem contend is really worth these days, considering the (relatively) low earnings ceiling compared to other games. I would think your best bet for coaching would be to market towards either A) really good Stars 8g players who are weakest at LHE or B) really good online LHE payers who want to become great. So small volume, high price point, intense work w advanced players.

Maybe there would be a market for 40/80+ live players, but I'd imagine they are playing in games where identifying opponents' tendencies and playing in a lot of spots that don't come up at all online are the most important things that determine their success - that seems difficult to coach.


I don't think marketing to general LHE/poker population would yield great results.
I will skip replying to other and do this first. I think this is where there a lot of misconception about how poker works. Let me give an example say there are two battling head up and you are an observing. You get to only see the rivers. The first player is a GTO bot and for some reason is malfunction and always fold river showing full house+ to a bet however otherwise play prefect. While the second player is regular pro but are very observant and can exploit river and for this situation always bluff the river.

Now my question becomes who would you pick in the long run? I would always pick the GTO bot because everyone is focus on situation that happen far less in isolate river spot. Ask yourself how many time does the situation you are frustrated over happen and why does it always is a river situation instead of bigger leaks in earlier game tree. It actually quite hard to overcome the mistake you make pre/flop/turn against someone who play prefect mix strategy even if you play perfect river. Think about it earlier situation game tree will always be bigger then river. Fix the biggest leak first and that what I mostly did to improve my game. I still awful on turn and river spot but that fine as long as I keep fixing common spot first and then work my way down.

There actually a way to play where you just figure the GTO of each position EV. And you just focus on max that +ev and pay no attention to how exploitative other are as long as you following the GTO strategy alone that way every time that other aren't playing gto you are +ev. So in a way it a short cut to never worrying about what other are doing but instead focusing on your non gto move. Also Lhe is probably one of the game that actually prefect to play this style since you aren't allow to mix up your bet size the advantage of playing max exploitation are overrate since you are kidding yourself to knowing all spot to do this and not play another game like NL/plo where reward are way bigger.

Last edited by DonJuan; 05-24-2018 at 01:43 AM.
05-24-2018 , 01:34 AM
In a super nice mood so I will wont bite my tongue and answers any questions that might be -EV for me. If ask right questions I will answer exactly how I study and improve with sims.
05-24-2018 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
Do you have a 50% vpip at 6-max or am I reading this wrong?

Also, please don't stop posting graphs.
Bodog rarely runs full 6 max anymore most of the time it 3 handed. so this pic will show real stats.
05-24-2018 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
In a super nice mood so I will wont bite my tongue and answers any questions that might be -EV for me. If ask right questions I will answer exactly how I study and improve with sims.
Ok I'll bite.

How different are button, small blind, and big blind strategies in HU, 3-handed, 6-handed, and full ring games?

Given that preflop decisions are most common, do you always take that approach first and work downwards -> flop, turn river?

What's the best tool you've found for simming hands? Do you write any of your own software? I'm thinking about writing one for mixed games.

Why are you winning while others are losing?
05-24-2018 , 03:46 AM
only difference is hu and 3 handed+ it just the nature of the opening range which led to different strategy. Don't think there a better way to learn except pre-flop-turn-riv you start off with 100% action and work down ex. open X and then flop happen to have 100% of that starting and each action bet X or check X and the game tree get smaller. Like I said by the time river come the tree becomes much smaller aka rarer why would you fix that first? Monkersolver for solving for position +ev you then use that pre flop range and sim it with pio solver for visualize. No I barely know how to open excel.

I think I am quite lucky and happen to be able to take advantage of being able to play american site and earn more while playing less. Before that would led to slack off and wasteful spending and repeat process. Now I try to fix my life leaks using the same method that got me winning in poker. Basically what matter is your cash flow aka what you do with your time/free cash to reinvest in yourself to build bigger edge instead of paying yourself first aka life degen. You can't control your income due to variance but you can control your consistency in studying and learning. It kind of like the wheel barrel concept none of the little push is going to make the wheel turning fast enough for it to spin out of control you just push at it slowly every day and one day it just takes off is how I would say my poker/life philosophy.
05-24-2018 , 05:10 PM
DonJuan: how do you determine the exact range to start with for evaluating a spot? Let’s say I want to figure out my ideal small blind strategy vs a perfect hijack opener. Everything I’ve seen requires entering hijacks range first, but how do you determine it? Maybe monker does this and I’m unaware?
05-24-2018 , 08:36 PM
Monker can solve the GTO +ev of each position. The problem is do you have enough Ram and how long it would take. Cost around 1.2k for me to get it solve some simplifies form of 6 max. Monkersolver is just a tool that you give a bot power aka ram then you set the rules and structure and let the bots play itself.
05-24-2018 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
Bodog rarely runs full 6 max anymore most of the time it 3 handed. so this pic will show real stats.
Thanks for this and bodog sounds like a goldmine since HUHU to 4 handed is most profitable LHE format ever in my opinion (also easiest to get larger volume of hands).

If ask any questiond is still live DonJuan, do you have a cold call range in SB 3 handed or can it be +EV to have a cold call range according to SIM?
05-25-2018 , 01:17 AM
DonJuan,

Very much appreciate all the information, graphs, and ranges you've added to this thread.

I wanted to clarify my understanding of some pre-flop ranges.

If I am understanding some of your previous range images correctly, you are saying that GTO ranges for
SB raising vs. BB = 69%
BB defend vs. SB = 97%
BB defend vs. Button = 92%

This compares to your PT VPIPs of:
SB: 47%
BB: 73%

Are your SB and BB VPIPs here lower than your GTO ranges since they include 3+ handed games? If not, what explains the difference?

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
05-25-2018 , 03:35 AM
You always want to look for pattern with opening ranges instead of pure %. of course there a big difference between 70% open and 90% but what matter is where the cut off bottom of opening range and why. Sb% is like 66%. BB defend you can just think of only folding the worst 2x. Sb has mix strategy vs btn open. I really don't pay attention to the stats since what matter are strategy once you figure out GTO for each hands in each position. Here is another analog do you look at a stock and see the up and down of the graph(technique analysis) vs looking at it intrinsic value like business structure/cash flow/income statement for better clue of where the value are.
05-25-2018 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
You always want to look for pattern with opening ranges instead of pure %. of course there a big difference between 70% open and 90% but what matter is where the cut off bottom of opening range and why. Sb% is like 66%. BB defend you can just think of only folding the worst 2x. Sb has mix strategy vs btn open. I really don't pay attention to the stats since what matter are strategy once you figure out GTO for each hands in each position. Here is another analog do you look at a stock and see the up and down of the graph(technique analysis) vs looking at it intrinsic value like business structure/cash flow/income statement for better clue of where the value are.
DonJuan, thank you very much for the prompt reply as well as using Finance as a comparable.

It's great you bring this up since I have never in my life cold-called from the SB unless I miss-clicked online or I was too tired playing 3 handed live. I hold the same opinion on this from the Micro Stakes LHE Pre-Flop Check-Up post as Rodeo in referecne to inquiry fro lawdudue:

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Originally Posted by lawdude
Situation I see all the time:

25-50 or 20-40 (although it also happens in 8 sometimes).

Decent player and/or TAG and/or nit opens UTG or UTG+1. She should have a pretty tight range.

Maniac who 3-bets ridiculously wide 3-bets. He could have almost anything.

Folds to Hero in position. Forgetting about the debate about whether we should be capping or just calling, what sort of range should we be playing here?

And now, same question with Hero in the BB, with it folding to us after the 3-bet.
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Originally Posted by rodeo
I think it’s a decent sized mistake to just call the 3 bet in this specific situation. Everything I’d want to play I would 4 bet. That doesn’t mean there aren’t spots where I just call 3 cold. There are. This just isn’t one of them.

If the maniac’s range is as wide as you suggest and the opener’s range is as narrow as you suggest, I would treat it as if were 3 betting the opener.
However, Bob148 response of having a cold call range may seem to make me think I should study the game more via SIM but I just don't feel confident cold calling 3 bets ever even if maniac is in the hand in lieu of 4 betting lighter.

I deeply respect Bob148 though since I know he studies the game outside the table quite extensively invluding the GTO concept and how it relates to EV.

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Originally Posted by Bob148
So this range raises in EP and maniac 3bets? Hmm ok. Depending on maniacs postflop spew factor I could play very loose here or very tightly relatively speaking.

a) preflop + postflop maniac = I call everything I play: 22+, A2s+, ATo+, K9s+, KJo+, Q9s+, QJo+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s.

b) preflop maniac + postflop not so maniac = I call some hands: 55-TT, A2s-A5s, A9s-AJs, AJo, AQo, KTs, KJs, KQo, Q9s, QTs, J9s, T9s, 98s and I'll 4 bet some hands: JJ+, AQs+, AKo, KQs, QJs.

my 2 cents.

<Purely Offtopic Finance Info for DonJuan or Anyone Interested TlDr>
Hope the book reading of various Finance books are going well. Highly recommend Street Freak by Jared Dillian for a quick read depending on how fast of a reader you are. Would make you instantly want to start to want to become a Trader rather than a Poker player at least it reinforced it for me although my minset was pretty dead set on that after the book was recommended to me by mentor who leared how to trade from George Soros before going to college.

Going even further Off Topic but I would say I'm 95% technical, systematic trader and 5% discretionary based on the most optimal condition based on the security and a recommendation that my mentor generally follows.

For example, based on my experience backtesting FX when FXCM used to still be legal in the United States and weren't bombarded with negative press, 5 years worth of backtested data enabled the ability to create a purely systematic, automated VBA based trading model. The Quant Trader that built it majored in Math and was very very addicted to Trading but the Quant Trader's ability to trade 5% discretionary was phenomenal as well as my mentor's.

Crude Oil Options applies as well to this although that's a different animal all together that has way too many variables to take into account.

I'm not as savvy as Equity trading since FX and Commodity options like Crude Oil and Gold are much profitable at least based on CQG/Bloomberg Terminal.

If I were to trade or invest in equities though, I would always do a DCF (Discounted Cash Flow) analysis, then base it on the fundamentals like current events then, utilize the technical analysis.

Too many option strategies that can be utilized with equities as well though. You just need the capital or the knowledge to do those option strategies with equities or commodities but there are multiple books on those.

If you wanted a good book on how to learn to trade options, PM me since a good friend of mine was given a 500k+ hedge fund from his dad when he was like 18 (he's not American). I met him when he came to the United States to get his college education as a Master student in the school I went to and he read a couple books on options and he now trades options quite a bit on the OTC market, US majors, and Asian majors quite often when the market conditions imply him to do so. He's also a purely technical/systematic trader though when it comes to FX trading but I know he does have a bad habit of over trading from when he was younger.

There's another book a different friend of mine from college that recommended a book on options and he interned as a Trader at Goldman Sachs in college, then got a full-time job as an analyst in New York at Goldman Sachs so I imagine the book phenomenal although I haven't had a chance to buy it yet.
05-25-2018 , 06:09 AM
there a CC range in Sb vs every position open. the other situation you post I have no idea on to play I just try to go by my chart pre.
05-25-2018 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
there a CC range in Sb vs every position open. the other situation you post I have no idea on to play I just try to go by my chart pre.
DonJuan, thank you for the prompt reply.

That makes sense conceptually even without doing SIM on it.
Specifically, I've played quite a few LHE stakes where 3BB / 2SB structure which I imagine gives you more flexibility to cold call wider although I just 3 bet wider live or online.

Will one day get a time to buy a SIM and do a SIM. Been too busy to even read Phillip Newell Intelligent Poket Player book and/or utilize EquiLab (think was recommended by Bob148 like a year ago).

Let me know if you can travel to Chicago when you are in USA DonJuan during WSOP.

Theres phenomenal restaurants like 3 star Michelin and Hole in the Wall places so I think you'd enjoy it. Bar scene is phenomenal around Chicago Cub stadium as well with a bunch of young female college graduates partying hard most weekends or some weekdays during summer.

Too busy with work to go to Vegas but would love to at least buy you a drink with all the free advice DonJuan

Horseshoe in Hammond, IND which is like 20min drive from Chicago also has the softest 20/40 half kill LHE game.

Heard mix results about the 50/100 mix game being mostly decent players but highly doubtful knowing some fish regs in 20/40 half kill plays in it.
05-25-2018 , 07:51 AM
I do not consider those hands that I coldcall in that spot to be correct in a gto sense; If I thought both the opener and the 3 bettor were playing gto preflop ranges, then I would not coldcall anything outside of the blinds. However, I think that the presence of the maniac adds enough ev to the hands that I coldcall to make them profitable.
05-25-2018 , 10:25 AM
Would be nice to visit vegas during wsop since I never been to one. Don't think it would be more fun and seem kind of expensive for the kind of experience that I can get for cheap in vietnam :P. Although it would be nice to meet some of my idols.
05-25-2018 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
Would be nice to visit vegas during wsop since I never been to one. Don't think it would be more fun and seem kind of expensive for the kind of experience that I can get for cheap in vietnam :P. Although it would be nice to meet some of my idols.
Vegas is too hot during the summer and its dry heat with cranked up AC every hotel so can be painful. Ton of hotel pool parrties but definitely more worthwhile to just goto Hoi Anh in Vietnam in my opinion.

My wife is Vietnamese native so she can show you great restaurants in Chicago if your palet is more accustomed to Vietnamese food.

Vegas should be worth your time especially with comped rooms assuming you play enough hours of poker at high enough stakes.

If you could only choose one city to visit in USA though, I would recommend LA because no live LHE game will ever get better than Commerce in my biased opinion.

Ton of other casinos in LA too that spreads LHE as well. Also pricey location but women are more attractive if you goto bars and food is better than Vegas in my biased opinion for that.

If you have plans for stopping by Chicago even as layover, PM me so I can grab lunch with you or buy you a drink at airport

      
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