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12-10-2017 , 03:30 PM
gives 7:1 to an elite limit player :thinking:

12-10-2017 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
He just always has it :/
That's the sign of a great player.

And a truly elite player will get there on the passions they don't already have it.
12-10-2017 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sean Snyder
After some poor decisions, poor life luck and what I suspect was also the worst downswing any human being has suffered in my 10+ years of live poker I decided I should take my basically $0 functioning poker roll (I'm not sure how much I had. Definitely less than $5000) and learn how to play no limit instead of quitting and taking my invested money to further my education and get a job like a real human being like I told myself I would. I had a coach and access to RIO videos. I had played fairly large nlhe before up to 100/200ish uncapped but considered myself a very poor player (by my current standards I'd consider myself then to be a whale). I started at .25/.50 moved up to 200 and eventually 400 to 1k playing roughly 1 million hands of 200+ stakes from 2014-early 2017 before deciding the action was not worth my time and seeing if live poker would welcome me back. I quickly moved up from 5/5 to 10/25 nl (often 25/50 and rarely 50/100) before that game got weak at which point I decided to see if I had any clue how to play mix still. I played some 75 and 80 in Vegas during wsop before it became clear that I should be playing 2/4+ again. Since then I've played 90% 200/400 with occasional 1/2, 3/6 and some 10/20 to 50/100 big bet.

I might have had years of high stakes experience and a smart work ethic (in that I aggressively sought out the best tools to help me become a better player. My actual grinding ethic online was horrendous once I moved up past 200 nl) but that doesn't change the fact that a guy with a few thousand dollars and an "I don't know what I'm doing with my life" attitude moved up from a game where the big blind was two quarters and the max buyin was $50 to game where the ante is $50 and has put himself in a significantly better position in life than he has ever been over the course of a few years despite running grossly under ev for about a third of my online nlhe career and already having some pretty significant pain in larger games.

Anyway, tldr, yes, I think a 4dollar/8dollar player can threaten me if they are intelligent and apply themselves.
Very inspiring. Thanks for sharing this. It gives me hope as I work on plugging leaks.
12-11-2017 , 07:29 PM


Brag: None
Beat: Bought most of it.
Beat: Hard to reach around.
12-11-2017 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Did it work?


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I've seen that play work in HS online games that I've watched (bluff run by tighter regs against laggy regs).
12-11-2017 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pid Koker
Brag: None
Beat: Bought most of it.
Beat: Hard to reach around.
The picture took a while to load and I giggled the entire time.
12-12-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pid Koker


Brag: None
Beat: Bought most of it.
Beat: Hard to reach around.
It would take a whale to get that seat change button to get used with a stack like that.
12-12-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DonJuan
I was going to post a long reply but then I think zzeigler will do a better job for me. On what i think about live casino

[11/2/2017 7:35:32 PM] Don: yeah how you been with the live bogota?
[11/2/2017 7:35:41 PM] Don: still crushing for like 5/BB?
[11/2/2017 7:35:43 PM] zzeigler: Been more than crushing it
[11/2/2017 7:35:57 PM] Don: lol is live poker regs that bad?
[11/2/2017 7:35:59 PM] zzeigler: Up 400k in 2 years playing mostly 40 and occasional 80
[11/2/2017 7:36:05 PM] zzeigler: It is super bad
[11/2/2017 7:36:06 PM] Don: wow insane
[11/2/2017 7:36:17 PM] zzeigler: Multiple bad players in 9 handed games
That is not really zzeigler, his real name is Kaseem and he is def not up 400k in 2 years.
12-12-2017 , 09:14 PM
How much are the winningest 80/160, 1/2, 2/4, 3/6 players taking down each year? Wondering if online crushers grind live or just come out when nosebleeds run.
12-12-2017 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 6MaxLHE
That is not really zzeigler, his real name is Kaseem and he is def not up 400k in 2 years.
The greatest poker mystery of our time. I know just as many people who know for sure it's him as those who know for sure it's not. Either way it's amazing.
12-13-2017 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dadjoey
How much are the winningest 80/160, 1/2, 2/4, 3/6 players taking down each year? Wondering if online crushers grind live or just come out when nosebleeds run.
  • How many of those games run every day? I'm guessing there is a regular 60 or 80 game at Commerce and the other limits run only some of the time. If only Jesse would blog this stuff so we could live vicariously through his time there.
  • If you were a crusher, how much would it be worth to you to tip a brush or other casino employee to call you the instant such a game is forming?
  • Guessing you run into an area under the curve problem, where you can't book reliable hours at the highest stakes. If Sean is playing a lot of NL, that's data for you that being a nosebleed LHE genius might not be the destination.
  • Maybe someone is crushing games like this for 1BB/HR or more. What is 1.5BB/HR, like ~5BB/100? Is that possible in 2017?
  • Do you have to have a $300K BR in case the 300/600 fires up for a month during LAPC.
  • At some point wonder why you didn't just learn PLO.
12-13-2017 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DougL
  • How many of those games run every day? I'm guessing there is a regular 60 or 80 game at Commerce and the other limits run only some of the time. If only Jesse would blog this stuff so we could live vicariously through his time there.
  • If you were a crusher, how much would it be worth to you to tip a brush or other casino employee to call you the instant such a game is forming?
  • Guessing you run into an area under the curve problem, where you can't book reliable hours at the highest stakes. If Sean is playing a lot of NL, that's data for you that being a nosebleed LHE genius might not be the destination.
  • Maybe someone is crushing games like this for 1BB/HR or more. What is 1.5BB/HR, like ~5BB/100? Is that possible in 2017?
  • Do you have to have a $300K BR in case the 300/600 fires up for a month during LAPC.
  • At some point wonder why you didn't just learn PLO.
Me too. I wish Jesse blogged again and Sean posted more so we could live vicariously off them. 2017! NC/LC THREAD! let us gogogogo
12-14-2017 , 07:50 AM
Rofl! I was trying to enter my handle to log in and accidentally clicked on the wrong box and googled "unguarded" which brought up the dictionary definition. I never realized how appropriate my handle is given my posting history and often rude, idiotic behavior:

un·guard·ed
ˌənˈɡärdəd/
adjective
adjective: unguarded
not well considered; careless.
"an unguarded remark"
synonyms: careless, indiscreet, incautious, thoughtless, rash, reckless, foolhardy, foolish, imprudent, injudicious, ill-considered, ill-judged, insensitive; unwary, inattentive, off guard, distracted, absentminded;
candid, open;
literary temerarious
"an unguarded remark"

Yep, that's me too much of the time!
12-14-2017 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 6MaxLHE
That is not really zzeigler, his real name is Kaseem and he is def not up 400k in 2 years.
wrong culture: it's Qasim (he's hindu, not muslim).

and yea it's hilarious. i made friends with him early on when he first came on the scene even though he rubbed lots of folks the wrong way. i still like him. he can be a bit snooty and condescending (my guess would be due to his upbringing as he comes across highly cultured) but he's still a generally nice and fun guy.

his poker playing was HUGELY variable when he first joined, and i haven't played in about a year or so live after playing multiple times a week live for like 1.5 years (most of that overlapping with qasim), but he settled down imo. variable as in he'd go from vpip of 40% for lonnggg stretches in a 9 handed 40 game to a vpip of 9% over similarly long stretches.

there's exactly a 0% chance he's made 400k over two years though playing 40 and 80. i don't doubt he's won and won a decent amount (qasim and i used to close down shorthanded 40 games at parx and borgata pretty consistently for a little bit and i've seen him separately walk away with 7-9 racks of pink/orange/lobster/salmon at parx). but i don't see how anything near 400k is in the ballpark.

either way, he's a good guy and i enjoyed pokering with him.

EDIT: one quick story i remember is when there was a big fish that showed up at the borg. the kinda guy who looovvvvves gamboool and has no idea what he's doing. he brings like 5-7k and just dumps it fast. if it's not fast, he's not interested. so he sits down at 40 and immediately turns to me (we were friendly and i gambled with him the few times he showed up) and says "80?". i'm like sure, lets start it. so qasim sees what's going on and immediately joins. we're playing 3 handed w/t his guy who clearly knows nothing. another solid player joins and then a fish and then another good player and then an expert so the game has slowed down substantially and that's not to this guy's liking. so he's like let's go higher, i say ok and then a friend in the poker world (a rare thing) comes up to me and says don't do this. it's a bad idea b/c your losses are uncapped but your wins are capped by what he has AND it's a bad look to break this 80 game by taking him away.

my response was that he's going to play blackjack if we don't play higher and i'm comfortable with the risk reward. i always appreciated him looking out for me and it's true the game did break, but we ended up playing 4 handed 160/320 with yellows at the borgata and ted forest sat down too. ted couldn't count out the bets right (he just kept dropping 2 yellows at a time until he was at 160 or 320) and he lost 1.5 racks in about 3-4 orbits. then qasim and i cleared out the fish and went back to playing 40. you could always count on qasim for some action if he felt he was better than at least 1 person in any shorthanded game. he wouldn't play me heads up or play with me and another decent player, but he'd play any combo 4 handed, selective 3handed and below, and he'd play almost anything 5+ handed. i do recall he got more and more selective as time went on though as i think he realized a great 20 can be better than a mediocre/bad 40.

Last edited by UpHillBothWays; 12-14-2017 at 06:28 PM.
12-15-2017 , 03:16 AM
good post.
12-15-2017 , 03:35 AM
No joke, great story. 8/16 chip structure LOL.
12-15-2017 , 02:05 PM
another qasim story:

we're playing an 80 game at the borg and i open JJ in EMP, future 3bs me (paul valente for those unfamiliar with his real name), and qasim cold mother f***ing caps from the button. blinds fold i call, future calls, and we're off

something like T72cc comes off (i have the jc) and i k/r qasim's bet, future thinks for a minute and calls (to me looked like he was pondering a 3b but i could be wrong). i cap and they both call.

turn is an offsuit 6. i bet, now future springs to life and raises and qasim 3bets. now i'm thinking "this is one of those get to showdown hands, but i don't see what i can possibly beat. the only possibility is if they both have a ten, which means one had to 3b and one had to cold cap my ep raise - they're both thinking players - with a ten in their hand." so, ofc, i folded like a cheap suit. i put future on something like an overpair or maybe TT or 77 and qasim maybe on an overpair too (NOTE this was AFTER a long stretch of "silent qasim" so he this was the first hand after a long period of 9% VPIP).

river comes an offsuit 5. the future of poker checks and calls to see qasim's killer 4c3c for the rivered straight. i was quite dumbfounded lol.

that's the thing about qasim. he may do crazy things and he may play loose preflop, but he does know his customers pretty well and he recognizes where he is postflop. he thought future could have had a draw and was certain i had an overpair and if he could knock me out, he might clear up 6 outs, which is indeed what happened. i don't remember what future had but i think maybe ATs? i do know had i called and had nothing hit qasim, i'd have won the pot.

i'll put up some other fun stuff if i can recall. jlot played a bunch w/ him too though i'm not sure how well the scotch goggles remember things lol
12-15-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by suchj0sh
No joke, great story. 8/16 chip structure LOL.
ty, glad you guys enjoyed it.

how it happened:

me/qasim: we'll go color us up?
him: nah let's just start
me/qasim: ok...

ted: what's going on on this side? *sits with forearm full of chips* lol.

man i felt so bad for ted, but given that thread in NVG, it seems i was wrong about his situation and feel better about clearing him out of yellows that afternoon

but yea, 160/320 with yellows was a hilarious 30 odd minutes of poker. 8 piles of 4 to put in the 4 flop bets
12-15-2017 , 02:26 PM
no gamble no future?
12-15-2017 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
no gamble no future?
the one and only:

12-15-2017 , 03:22 PM
i hadn't seen that thread. seems fine though. no gamble no future
12-15-2017 , 06:36 PM
Turn raise seems really dumb

Last edited by ZOMG_RIGGED!; 12-15-2017 at 06:38 PM. Reason: Or dumbly brilliant
12-15-2017 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Turn raise seems really dumb
but the pf cap was fine, right lol?

he looked at the turn raise like this:

- i am almost surely behind future, but
- i'm definitely behind uphill
- i'm calling these 2 bets anyways so if i expend 1 more bet, i may be able to get uphill to fold his overpair. if that happens, the times future doesn't yet have a pair, i win the whole pot either by bluffing the river or hitting a 3/4 and checking behind assuming he doesn't hit. even though that's a small probability, the payoff is huge when it happens.

that rationale in flow is admirable imo. the pf cap though lol.....
12-15-2017 , 06:59 PM
I meant Paul’s. I have no problem with how zz played it

      
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