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Old 01-17-2017, 02:00 AM   #126
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And then what happens if it is the guy with $80 in his stack? That can't happen with a time pot.


In general, stakes where time flops are happening don't have guys with $80 stacks.
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Old 01-17-2017, 06:18 AM   #127
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The guy with $80 in his stack pays his own time. Not hard.
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Old 01-17-2017, 11:54 AM   #128
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If no one's number comes up on the board after the river card is dealt and pot is pushed, dealer keeps turning over cards from the stub until someone's number comes up.
There is no such thing as a time flop or time pot at CAZ. The house instructs dealers to refuse to help. Theoretically the winner of a time pot can stiff the table and the house will do nothing.

In practice there are time pots organized by the players and they work well. The games are good and it rarely takes more than a couple hands to get paid.

But time flops are a complete no go. No dealer is going to deal out extra cards if they fear they are going to be reprimanded.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:01 PM   #129
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There is no such thing as a time flop or time pot at CAZ. The house instructs dealers to refuse to help. Theoretically the winner of a time pot can stiff the table and the house will do nothing.



In practice there are time pots organized by the players and they work well. The games are good and it rarely takes more than a couple hands to get paid.



But time flops are a complete no go. No dealer is going to deal out extra cards if they fear they are going to be reprimanded.


Bummer.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:57 PM   #130
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There is a strong correlation between people who hate the time flop idea (and like time pots) and being a nitball
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Old 01-17-2017, 03:07 PM   #131
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I'm gonna be the dumass here and ask what the difference is in a time flop v time pot.
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Old 01-17-2017, 03:23 PM   #132
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Time pot = winner of hand pays time charge for everyone.
Time flop = random player pays time charge for everyone (determined by one of the cards on the board)
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Old 01-17-2017, 03:25 PM   #133
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I'm gonna be the dumass here and ask what the difference is in a time flop v time pot.
I read it as

1. Time Flop means there is a way of interpreting info from the flop to determine which seat pays the time fee. So if, say, the door card on the flop is the 2d then seat 2 pays the time fee, regardless of he has vpip'd as an example.

2. Time Pot means the winner of the pot pays time out of the money from that pot.
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:14 PM   #134
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Who doesn't love credit card roulette!
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:17 PM   #135
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**** i hate time pots. I'm all for a time flop or pay your own. I hate the tightening strategic consequences. In the right game I'd be in, but in general I'd way rather just pay my own and play normal lhe
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:17 PM   #136
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in time flops, seat 1 is ace, seat 2 is 2, etc

first card on the flop determines who pays. if first card is T/J/Q/K then it goes to 2nd card on flop, then 3rd card, then turn, etc.
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:48 PM   #137
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At Bay (at least in day games) the culture is that everyone pays for his/her own time. It seems to me that it takes longer to hammer out all the details about what happens when than it takes to just put out your own time collection.

If I were to play somewhere there's a time flop or time pot or whatever I would never be the first objector but I'd certainly be the second objector.
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Old 01-17-2017, 05:42 PM   #138
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Time pot used to speed up the time collection at 40 games vs. 20 games. But lately there are a handful of people at 20 who try to collect the time prior to the new dealer sitting down which helps minimize the wasted time.

It might be close to where collecting the time while dealer changes is faster than a time pot if the table just tightens up and there are 3 chops in a row.
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Old 01-17-2017, 05:43 PM   #139
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I'm guessing (with no inside knowledge) that the Powers That Be may have to be talked into anything more than the LHE Strategy section which is just all limit. If we want more than one, BBB and I can push it.
I vote 2 forums. LHE Beginner and LHE Non-Beginner. Live and online mixed in each. If we want guidelines I'd use this: Beginner hands tend to be massively multiway to the flop, Non-Beginner hands HU to the flop.
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Old 01-17-2017, 05:43 PM   #140
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Here's a fun one for all you fur coat people. Played a hand yesterday online, probably 1200 in pot, player goes all in on river for 5 cents and I fold.
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Old 01-17-2017, 06:12 PM   #141
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Here's a fun one for all you fur coat people. Played a hand yesterday online, probably 1200 in pot, player goes all in on river for 5 cents and I fold.
6 hi OESD miss?
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Old 01-17-2017, 06:13 PM   #142
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I vote 2 forums. LHE Beginner and LHE Non-Beginner. Live and online mixed in each. If we want guidelines I'd use this: Beginner hands tend to be massively multiway to the flop, Non-Beginner hands HU to the flop.
Think if we pushed, the PTB would go for that.

In the end, we can write our own text at the top of each forum and Mat will change it to whatever. Reading here, people are about evenly split on any pair of forums -- maybe folks with just be happy with anything we get?

Do you like Beginner vs non-Beginner more than Small/Larger stakes? I just wonder if people will refuse to post in beginner LHE forum because of "wanting better advice" and then we'll see 3/6 hands in the non-beginner forums b/c "I'm not a beginner".
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6 hi OESD miss?
for 0.05 in a 1200 pot, I call to see if I chop with a bluff. Assume JL misclick folded?
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Old 01-17-2017, 06:49 PM   #143
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He had 22 on a 23333 board.
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:08 PM   #144
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I just wonder if people will refuse to post in beginner LHE forum because of "wanting better advice"
I actually don't mind people thinking that as long as it's not true. A lot of people who post in MS now also post in SS and I think there's a core of knowledgable, helpful people in SS so it's not like people who play 40/80+ universally, exclusively post in MS.

To be honest, many of the hands I've posted in SS over the past few years are 30/60 and 80/160 hands "scaled down."
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:24 PM   #145
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Kind of random but take something like an off the rails 30-60 game where hands are constantly going off 5-6 ways for 3-4 bets. So it's like midstakes level aggression (lots of preflop raising) with small stakes looseness. Better suited for a beginner - intermediate level thread, or an intermediate+ thread?
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:28 PM   #146
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6 hi OESD miss?
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:37 PM   #147
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I vote 2 forums. LHE Beginner and LHE Non-Beginner. Live and online mixed in each. If we want guidelines I'd use this: Beginner hands tend to be massively multiway to the flop, Non-Beginner hands HU to the flop.


I don't care what is done as long as it's not this.
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:15 PM   #148
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Kind of random but take something like an off the rails 30-60 game where hands are constantly going off 5-6 ways for 3-4 bets. So it's like midstakes level aggression (lots of preflop raising) with small stakes looseness. Better suited for a beginner - intermediate level thread, or an intermediate+ thread?
definitely the latter, not close
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:39 PM   #149
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**** i hate time pots. I'm all for a time flop or pay your own. I hate the tightening strategic consequences. In the right game I'd be in, but in general I'd way rather just pay my own and play normal lhe
I agree, but paying your own time doesn't let you totally off the hook. You can also still occasionally forget to announce that you are out of collection which is always drama. And then blind vs. blind, people will act like you are some evil sociopath for playing when you have paid your time and they are in collection. But if you chop with these people, suddenly everyone wants to know why you chop with them and nobody else. More drama. And then there are the collection pot angle shooters constantly sucking EV out of you no matter what.

Collection pots are horrible unless you are a supernit or angle shooter. They kill the action, cause drama, and encourage angle shooting. I am all for everyone just paying time. Time flops sound fine too to add a little more gamble to the game and give players one more reason to berate the dealer.
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:43 PM   #150
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You made the nut low.
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