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11-12-2017 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Never get into an argument on Two Plus Two with Mason Malmuth when his ego is on the line!
FYP IMO.
11-12-2017 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
See what happens when I turn my back for a few weeks?

It's happened before and it will happen again. I've been around poker strat forums since before Mason banned Abdul Jalib from 2p2.

I stayed away from 2p2 for years because of how Mason treated Abdul. (Also because there is no love lost between Mason and me, but that is a story I will not tell on 2p2, for reasons that I hope are obvious.) Eventually I realized that I was harming myself, and got involved. But when I got involved, I resolved that I would stay firmly away from disputing poker theory with Mason.
Abdul was banned for making numerous insults (and you've been told this many times, but whenever you bring this up, you always seem to neglect mentioning this). Also, over the years, when moderation issues get discussed internally by 2+2 management, the banning of Abdul, even though he was a talented poker mind, is our classic example of why sometimes the best decision is to just go ahead and ban a person. We also made it clear that Abdul could post again if he would stop the insults.

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jon_locke, You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: Never get into an argument on Two Plus Two with Mason Malmuth when EV is on the line!

I'm sorry to see you go, Jon. You did a lot of good.
MM
11-13-2017 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
Responding UG's post

The health of the midstakes game is largely based on the number of business people in the game who are successful, and the number of trust-fundees in the game. The only time you really want a better than average low limit player is when you don't have enough players to form a game. But it's kind've a wash in some respects because many of the low limit players can't hack it for very long anyway and give all their winnings back from the lower game, and give more to the pool than take. They, without fail, cry about outs, and how you play bad, and so forth. And, they don't have the experience of a truly bad downswing, and will become utterly unhinged. Some do move up though, and stay. But, I'm sure you can think of people in your own game who moved up after doing fine at low limit, got addicted to the higher stake, stopped winning, and wound-up big losers.
Hi leaves:

This is actually a very accurate post. Even at a limit like $20-$40, where well over $100 an hour is coming off the table in the form of rake and tips, there aren't many winners, and most small stakes players who try to move up do fail. And one of the important reasons they fail is that they never played that well to begin with, and their positive results had more to do with getting on the right side of the standard deviation than with their skill.

Best wishes,
Mason
11-13-2017 , 10:04 AM
Does anybody else think the group celebrations in the NFL look stupid? At least make it funny like a Kee and Peel skit or the movie Baseketball. I thought they were way more funny back n the TO and Ocho Cinco day's.
11-14-2017 , 05:10 AM
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11-14-2017 , 05:52 AM
Tbh, I've already moved up. Since coming back to poker, I find all those books to be relevant, but since the game has toughened the books that are presently most helpful are the books by Newall, Stox, (and Chen, but difficult). Though mostly it takes hand review, and introspection. And yes, TOP is on everyone's book shelf. But, don't forget Ray Zee's Split Pot Games!!! But yes, many people can buy any and every book on poker, and still lose. Many people in poker prefer to fantasize about winning rather than do XYZ to improve their winnings.

Last edited by leavesofliberty; 11-14-2017 at 06:14 AM.
11-14-2017 , 06:50 AM
And, buy used. Better ROI.
11-14-2017 , 07:11 AM
I bought lots of chess books, though, and I'd I've given up the dream of being rated 2000... ever. I just don't have the brain for it.
11-15-2017 , 01:31 AM
FYI, HEPFAP is trending near its all-time low ($16.75) price on Amazon at $17. Must be a lot of demand for this book, because if it ships in high volume, that lowers the price, right?

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Hold-em-...uct/1880685221
11-15-2017 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain R
FYI, HEPFAP is trending near its all-time low ($16.75) price on Amazon at $17. Must be a lot of demand for this book, because if it ships in high volume, that lowers the price, right?

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Hold-em-...uct/1880685221
I got 4 books (3 on essays of poker, 1 HEPFAP) used at thriftbooks.com for under $17 and free shipping. It's hard to beat that, especially if you like reading.
11-15-2017 , 02:14 AM
It was a joke.
11-15-2017 , 02:50 AM
It still doesn't matter much because this whole "thin the field" is based on loose games, and learning when to thin the field in loose games (taking a critical eye of course) won't really help you play better poker in many tough games. But still, I like my books. And, these situations do come-up from time to time. And other games (Omaha, etc.) might require a change in strategy.

Last edited by leavesofliberty; 11-15-2017 at 02:58 AM.
11-15-2017 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain R
FYI, HEPFAP is trending near its all-time low ($16.75) price on Amazon at $17. Must be a lot of demand for this book, because if it ships in high volume, that lowers the price, right?

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Hold-em-...uct/1880685221
Hi Captain:

If it makes you feel better, we've sold approximatgely 280,000 copies of HPFAP. It's our third best selling book all time and has been a great success.

Best wishes,
Mason
11-15-2017 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Captain:

If it makes you feel better, we've sold approximatgely 280,000 copies of HPFAP. It's our third best selling book all time and has been a great success.

Best wishes,
Mason
I wonder why there are so few LHE winners in the world. What's the O/U, maybe 400?
11-15-2017 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain R
I wonder why there are so few LHE winners in the world. What's the O/U, maybe 400?
I agree that this statement is true for the games I play in. I also feel that I see very few players who play at the level of HPFAP.

As for the reason, I suspect that there are a number of factors, but one of the important ones is that limit hold 'em can be very counter-intuitive for many people. Thus their decision process is not what it should be.

MM
11-15-2017 , 05:12 AM
Losing less is still a major accomplishment for many.
11-15-2017 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I agree that this statement is true for the games I play in. I also feel that I see very few players who play at the level of HPFAP.
I think you are right, at all stakes, but counter-intuitively also in the biggest LHE games in the world.

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As for the reason, I suspect that there are a number of factors, but one of the important ones is that limit hold 'em can be very counter-intuitive for many people. Thus their decision process is not what it should be.
Agreed.

BTW, I’m not just a poster, I also own a copy of HPFAP. I have not read it in a long time but recall there is some good information in there.
11-15-2017 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
There are no advancements in LHE since 2009ish or so. The problem is that livetards are often a decade or more behind the rest of humanity.
I knew I've almost caught up.

PS Anyone know where Mason plays?

PPS Please ban UG so I don't ever have to come back

PPSS Hey DD
11-15-2017 , 11:03 PM
Mason plays at the Bellagio
11-16-2017 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I agree that this statement is true for the games I play in. I also feel that I see very few players who play at the level of HPFAP.

As for the reason, I suspect that there are a number of factors, but one of the important ones is that limit hold 'em can be very counter-intuitive for many people. Thus their decision process is not what it should be.

MM
some of the best lhe players in the world, and the biggest winners of all time at lhe post on this board. none of them play similar to what is described in hpfap. nor do the opponents whom they consider winners or strong players.

and yes, the games they play in may be different, but they almost certainly rose through the limits where they did indeed play in similar games to what is described in hpfap. and esp in the ed miller book. ie, these players crushed the loose 5-10 to 15-30 party games in the early to mid 2000s.
11-16-2017 , 01:05 PM
It's not going to happen, but I would love to see what Hoss_TBF or TPiranha have to say about the threads in question.
11-16-2017 , 01:22 PM
Didn't Piranha say he was "retired"?
11-16-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
It's not going to happen, but I would love to see what Hoss_TBF or TPiranha have to say about the threads in question.
They would have same response as bicyclelick, schnieds and deathdonkey
11-16-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Didn't Piranha say he was "retired"?
He unretired and has been banging commerce for a good while
11-16-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
They would have same response as bicyclelick, schnieds and deathdonkey
bicyclelick is a new one hahaha

      
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