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07-03-2022 , 03:04 AM

checkraisdraw

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Preflop

Raise utg+1 in 8handed game. Fold to sb who is a tag player, a little nitty who 3bets, I call.

Flop 779hcs

Bet, I call.

Turn 7799 hhcs

Bet, I call

River 7799khhccs

Bet, I?

King seems like a horrible card. The worst except ace.

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07-03-2022 , 05:37 PM

maka2184

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

I'd still call river as played.

Think flop & turn call is standard if SB TAG is a nit with narrow range that won't call raise on flop & turn with worse than 88.

May have raised flop or turn but I think that's not profitable.

Think profitable to have NIT TAG keep cbetting with Ax, 66-22, Qx, Jx.

Ax, 66-55 i think is a more realistic conservative range imo for a NIT TAG that cbet flop, turn, river.

NOTE: 20/40 NIT TAG are generally fish TAG based on how I play since they're very exploitable & easy to play perfect vs in HU pots.

Guessing Solver had answer for flop, turn, and river?

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07-03-2022 , 06:16 PM

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So player dependent. He shouldn’t be betting ace high since it chops and I can’t see any queen high bluffs in his range. So if he is truly good, I fold.

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07-03-2022 , 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

So player dependent. He shouldn’t be betting ace high since it chops and I can’t see any queen high bluffs in his range. So if he is truly good, I fold.

+1 but never described by OP SB is a good TAG, only being a NIT TAG.

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07-04-2022 , 08:57 AM

Grease

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I think I raise the turn and the evaluate on the river. The 9 is a great card for you, pretty much the best in the deck other than an 8.

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07-04-2022 , 11:27 AM

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I play it like you did and fold the river.

He's not betting a worse hand for value. It seems unlikely he would bet AQ or AJ to get you off a chop. You've played it like you have Ace high at worst.

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07-04-2022 , 11:11 PM

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Interesting thoughts so far. I think raising flop and turn both have merit. When he bets the river he is basically representing that he can beat ace high, and I lose to everything except sixes.

This table was pretty crazy and it was surprising to have it fold to the sb tbh. I never saw him get out of line or even bluff once, but it could just be card distribution since we had only been playing for a couple hours. The way he was playing (about once every 2.5 orbits and always for a raise) screams nitty.

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07-04-2022 , 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Grease

I think I raise the turn and the evaluate on the river. The 9 is a great card for you, pretty much the best in the deck other than an 8.

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07-05-2022 , 09:45 AM

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There’s zero point in raising before the river as you fold out worse hands and keep in better ones

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07-05-2022 , 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

There’s zero point in raising before the river as you fold out worse hands and keep in better ones

+1 but can only think of 1 TAG in game we play that isn't calling worse on turn raise.

Others are bad NIT TAG that'll call turn with AK-AJ, KJ-KQ, JT(hh).

Above range may be too wide for a NIT TAG who cbet Flop & Turn on 7799 (hhcs) but think many NIT TAG does.

Ex: Bellagio TAG reg at 20/40.

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07-05-2022 , 08:47 PM

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My favorite thing about maka is his +1 to exactly opposite posts. Love you.

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07-05-2022 , 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

My favorite thing about maka is his +1 to exactly opposite posts. Love you.

Thanks!

In an ideal NIT TAG let's assume is a 1-2BB/100 winner, I think your replies are 100% correct.

Only NIT TAG I can think of is Ninawilliams who is more tighter LAGTAG if I recall?

OT: I think Ninawilliams had one of highest BB/100 in Cereus, Stars, Fulltilt combined in past via multi tabling HUHU LHE, NL, 6max, 9max, etc via game selection but not Bum Hunting. Think Ninawilliams generally just plays NL & LHE live occasionally & guessing still plays online

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07-06-2022 , 12:58 AM

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Not sure many tags let alone nittags that will call turn raise with kj or kq.

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07-06-2022 , 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

Not sure many tags let alone nittags that will call turn raise with kj or kq.

+1

What range would you put NIT TAG range as?

Game I play in has a lot of bad fish nit TAG that may call turn raise with KJ or KQ.

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07-06-2022 , 12:50 PM

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I don’t expect anyone describe as a little nitty to be betting too many king highs on the turn

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07-06-2022 , 11:15 PM

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+1

What range would you put NIT TAG range as?

Game I play in has a lot of bad fish nit TAG that may call turn raise with KJ or KQ.

What is a bad fish nit tag? Are we talking about your typical bad reg that thinks they are tight but coldcall utg raises with KT offsuit?

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07-07-2022 , 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I don’t expect anyone describe as a little nitty to be betting too many king highs on the turn

+1

I'm 200% value betting turn with KQ in case you have QJo though

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I think it was 10 handed and I was utg+2

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07-07-2022 , 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

What is a bad fish nit tag? Are we talking about your typical bad reg that thinks they are tight but coldcall utg raises with KT offsuit?

Yes.

Fish NIT TAG are players that thinks AK / AQ / AA - TT are never able to be folded postflop regardless of run out.

I've encountered several who would overplay AK - AQ / KQ - KJ on the 7799(hhcs) board as example.

OT: NIT TAG fish "Went to Showdown" / WTSD was ultra low 20-30% which made them very exploitable back when I used to play online.

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