I sweated this hand for a canterbury 20/40 tag reg who is a big winner in the game and was a little surprised and wondering preflop what people think. In addition thoughts on flop action heads up. Utg+2 he opens A7 and gets 2 late position cold callers and sb call then the big blind who is a tight passive dealer at canterbury park three bets who I've seen flat A K and A Q. Hero calls and everyone calls. Flop A:J8. The tight 3 better checks then hero fires obviously. Then everyone folds back to bb and C/R. Hero 3! Then gets a 4! hu and hero calls. Turn Q bet call then river 10 and river goes check check and shows JJ. I told him after the hand that's why u don't raise A7 s and he disagreed while he's the pro and I'm just a 8/16 player. I personally fold pre in this spot and am not shy to admit I play like a knit. What are your thoughts and does the flop action warrant a 3! when the only hand is ahead of when she C/R is KQ? The usual hand to run into is A Js AK J J and A A so should hero even 3! Hu?

In a nine-handed game, UTG+2 is the the lowjack seat, three spots from the button. A7s is a fine hand to be opening with in that position, although in a game where multiple coldcallers are common one might want to dial it back a bit. Tight-passive 3!s the BB with an opener and two late callers, yeah, that's a sign of strength, but we aren't throwing away for one more bet.

Top pair plus nut flush draw is a strong hand, and betting when the BB donk-checks is natural and obvious.

When the BB k/r's having the preflop initiative, though, that's an unusual line, and it generally means strength. Our hand might be good now, and we might well draw out for the win, but we are far less likely to be good than before the k/r. I think putting the fourth bet in against a tight-passive is spewy. (It is read-dependent; it might be the right thing to do against many LAGs.) Obviously, we are showdown-bound, but a semibluff isn't a semibluff, because the only way to win it has is by getting there.

We spewed extra bets on the flop, but otherwise the hand played out normally. No, this is not why you don't open with A7s; it's why you don't put in five bets with top pair weak kicker and a flush draw on the flop versus a tight-passive.

I don't think there is a cp dealer that plays 20 that I wouldn't slow down to the flop check raise. They all play pretty straightforward. I'd be looking to raise turn improvement.

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If I was MMW I'd keep jamming. HU I'm looking to call twice and maybe call the river.

I'm ok with opening A7s here if it is a 9 handed game, but you're off on the count, it would only be the "lowjack", 3 off button, if it's an 8 handed game.

Yet another reason why we should specify all positions from the button, not from the blinds.

A7s is a totally legit open in this position in this game as the player pool opens, defends and 3bets worse.

A7s is close. I'd lean towards folding, or telling others to fold, esp in rake game.

Flop 3b is bad.

It's fine to open A7s in this position, but not if you are going to spew on the flop after SB takes a weird and very strong line and piss away one of the main advantages of being in position.

A7s is an easy open from this position and you should even be opening much wider.

Preflop is fine.

Postflop is a disaster in my opinion unless HERO at Canterbury had ton of history / meta with Villain and sick reads.

+1

pro was most likely making a terrible free card attempt.

tight passives don't ever 4 bet draws.
some don't even 4 bet two pair
just call the check raise respect the strength and hope the board doesn't pair when/if you catch the flush
pre-flop seems pretty standard

PF and flop seem fairly read and game dependent so not sure how much real feedback you are going to get on this hand

Fold pre, flop 3! Is extremely optimistic given the action

Hola, JANITOR285. Lo siento mucho que mi Ingles no es muy bueno, pero voy a tratar explicar las problemas con este mano.

Antes del flop esta bien. La gente que son en el 20/40 a Canterbury van a llamar con mucha basura como 98o y KTo y A3o. A7s esta bien para raise. Voy a raise that **** todo los dias de utg +2.

En el flop tu amigo juega muy, muy, muy pinche mal. Muy. Pinche. Mal. Cuando el cabron en el BB c/r después de tres-bet antes del flop, el tiene exactamente 2 manos: AA o JJ. No hay mas. No tiene 88. No tiene AK. No tiene AJ. No tiene KdQd. Tiene AA o JJ. Su mano es mas fácil para leer que un libro de Dr Suess. Tu amigo no puede leer libros de Dr Suess? Dios mío!!!!

Tu amigo es muy pinche tonto para raise el flop. Muy pinche tonto.

Tu amigo no es bueno a poker. No es bueno a todo. Y el piensa que es un "pro"?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHA. No. El debe buscar un trabajo imediatamente, porque en 3-4 meses tu amigo va estar BUSTO.

Te banas y tomas agua,

SrGuzman

Open the A7s. Just don't play it horrible.

Flop 3! SUCKS if villain is as tight as advertised (JJ+, AK?). If there weren't cards to come, you wouldn't even bet the flop (doing so loses 2 bets to 8 combinations of AA,JJ,AK and wins 0 or 1 bet from 12 combinations of KK, QQ). With the flush draw equity you're probably forced to bet (although making almost no money doing it) but once villain's range collapses to AA,JJ,AK you're a 3:2 dog and need to shut it down and draw. Fold river unimproved. Bet/raise unpaired flushes and call down on 7s and paired flushes. Aces no good.

There's a minor error in my previous post that it won't let me change for some reason - there are 12 combinations that get you check-raised on the flop, not 8. The conclusion remains the same.

After the flop checkraise, I am putting villain on JJ or occasionally the case AA. Either way we're not doing all that great. I would only ever 3 bet in an attempt to freecard the turn if it doesn't give me a frush.

Wtf is a frush

Five cahds, all of dem in da same soot.

Ohh sank you veddy much!

Hi JANITOR385:

Three off the button my minimum suited ace to open raise with is ace-seven suited. Four off the button I want at least ace-eight suited, but in reality there's little difference.

The exception to this is if there are one or more players behind who are quick to three-bet, then I would fold the ace-seven suited when first in.

As for the flop action the pro is obviously trying for a free card. For this play to be correct, the pro needs a reason to think the player in the blind is likely to check to him. Obviously from the way the hand has been played, the player in the blinds appears to have a strong hand, but this doesn't mean he won't just call and then check the turn.

So whether to make it three bets or not is based mostly on judgement, and even if the judgement is correct that the three bet will buy the free card most of the time, it doesn't mean it'll buy it all the time. So it's hard to say if this play was correct, but I suspect it was given that the pro is someone with good judgement.

Another interesting question is whether you think it's correct for the big blind to make it three bets before the flop (in this spot) with a pair of jacks? While he does give up expectation by just calling (before the flop), the question is whether he can make it all back plus some, (because he just called before the flop), on the later streets.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason, I don't think either question is intersting, while we get a free card sometimes you neglect what happens when we make a flush (we lose money).

Assuming a play is correct because a pro did it is pretty bad. Lots of pros/winners do stuff that's clearly wrong even if they often use good judgement.

Lastly, preflight isn't remotely interesting when we are against a range that includes A7, 2 cold callers and a sb call. I'm all for calling 2-3 ways but this is a relatively simple 3 bet for pure value

I think its the opposite. If people 3b too light, you should raise lighter, as this is a situation of implicit collusion. If people are quick to flat with a wide range, then I'd want to play tighter / skew my range towards good multiway (i.e. suited) hands.