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07-13-2021 , 12:03 PM
The BB is very loose. I suspect she is 3 betting the top 25-30% of her range. She seems pretty sticky post flop. She seems fairly straight forward in MW pots. She raised a turned st draw and barreled the river uip in one of our other BVB interactions. The game has been fantastic so there hasn't been many BVB situations.

I open Ks6h in the SB and she calls.

7h3h2d...I check, she bets, and I call. She is never folding this flop. I don't have a good read on how she might play draws or pairs on this flop.

7h3h2d9c...I check, She bets.....What's the plan?

I am not very confident in my play in these marginalish type of spots in BVB.
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07-13-2021 , 02:27 PM
At equilibrium on this flop we should be continuing about 90% of the time, though a hand like K6o does play ok as an occasional check (~15-20% frequency). The flop call with the 6h is good and I like a fold on the turn when we don't improve. Alternatively, if we did continuation bet the flop and she calls, we would check fold this turn anyway. It's just too weak of a holding to continue. Sometimes we'll get bluffed but we have better hands to call down with here.

If she is over 3betting preflop it would indicate her range is a bit weaker than equilibrium so I like the turn fold on this texture even more.

J Lot
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07-13-2021 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
The BB is very loose. I suspect she is 3 betting the top 25-30% of her range. She seems pretty sticky post flop. She seems fairly straight forward in MW pots. She raised a turned st draw and barreled the river uip in one of our other BVB interactions. The game has been fantastic so there hasn't been many BVB situations.

I open Ks6h in the SB and she calls.

7h3h2d...I check, she bets, and I call. She is never folding this flop. I don't have a good read on how she might play draws or pairs on this flop.

7h3h2d9c...I check, She bets.....What's the plan?

I am not very confident in my play in these marginalish type of spots in BVB.
Flop is pretty indifferent. Checking is fine. Betting is fine. Turn is a c/f. Turn is an interesting situation generally b/c you should be very mixed.
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07-13-2021 , 07:14 PM
Chop pre.


Also jlot never folds the turn. ����
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07-13-2021 , 07:15 PM
Imo any2 Flop CBet is better. Splitting the range is difficult. Maybe the GTO wizards know if there is any EV difference in both strategys?

Whereas the question is. How much is she folding pre?
Is she defending J3o,2o;T3o,2o; Or is she defending any2?
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07-14-2021 , 10:52 AM
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Also jlot never folds the turn. ����
YumYum
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07-15-2021 , 04:55 AM
I would just c/f flop against this brick wall. You say she is never folding the flop. The flop hits BB defense trash pretty hard. Nothing good can really happen when we bet the flop. I would also just c/f turn if I got there.

It sounds like BB is almost never folding pre, is 3betting a lot, and is going to fight back hard post-flop. It's worth considering an open limp strategy against this player. K6o would be a good candidate for an open limp. I hate open limping BvB, but might give it a shot against this opponent.
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07-15-2021 , 02:12 PM
I'm a max exploiter (and with fcb on this one). Unless she's literally calling >97% pre, this is an awesome flop for you (because 83, 92, etc are the hands she can let go BvB in position), and I'm pure c-betting. K-high with with some mediocre back doors even does fine against her continues.

Check/fold turn regardless.
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07-15-2021 , 09:00 PM
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I would just c/f flop against this brick wall. You say she is never folding the flop. The flop hits BB defense trash pretty hard. Nothing good can really happen when we bet the flop. I would also just c/f turn if I got there.

It sounds like BB is almost never folding pre, is 3betting a lot, and is going to fight back hard post-flop. It's worth considering an open limp strategy against this player. K6o would be a good candidate for an open limp. I hate open limping BvB, but might give it a shot against this opponent.
Open limping makes sense. Keep the pot small with a hand I don't want to fold but won't be able to actualize it's equity fully. If she bluffs me it's not the end of the world. I experimented with open limping against a similar player a while back. If he didn't raise pre I would often lead into him and take it down. BVB situations don't happen often in my games so I think I could mix up raising and limping and not have to worry about balance.

I would think tightening up a bit pre would be wise. Does anybody know what the typicical open range from the SB would look like these days? It must have tightened up from the days I used to play online when I could open any two and make a profit from a BB who doesn't defend enough. I think most people have learned to loosen up in live games. I'm talking 20/40 and up.
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