You probably were beat.

But, with 3 diamonds on board, enough big diamonds with one pair can raise you there.

Think the majority of players would say you were likely beat, but pot odds may have warranted a call.

Thanks as always DonJuan.

DonJuan, so if you 3B right combination of hands preflop, you 100% cbet on flop?

Vs maniac, I probably 3B pf with KTo 90% of time in BB. 100% preflop with KT suited. I treat button open if I'm BB similar to HUHU hand if SB folded. Specifically, I'll change my choice based on game history even vs maniac button.

As played by OP and if I called pf with KTo, I play same as OP. Calling down vs turn raise and not folding most rivers vs maniac although that seems wrong since some rivers seems optimistic to call off on like 4th diamond that completes straight.

It doesn't 3b KTs at all. I think the pot size and the 3b % makes it so BB can cbet 100%. Don't ask me why it choose KTo and not KTs but I am not that surprise at all once people realize machine that learn how to play billion of hands w raw computer power is going to be better than human reason.

Shrug my dream machine has a different answer than yours and it 3 bets KTs more than offsuit. A lot of competing strategies are close obviously.

I think the flatting strategy is misused by many players. I agree with it 100% in tight range situations. I get it in wide situations against some players. I have moved to a mixed strategy and it has been paying off. If I feel that I'm against a player whom hiding my range will allow me to extract extra bets post flop I will flat. If they are the type to go nutty with pre flop raises then flatting would be leaving money on the table. I have taken a ton of pots down with hands like 9Ts that I 3 bet pre against a player with a wide opening range who is non combative post. These are hands that I probably lose if I flat. I may just flat against the super bluffy types.

I also think that it's easier to play against a BB who flats. I can check back some flops or turns. I can continue to open my normal range without fearing it getting 3 bet. I would think creating a little confusion by sometimes flatting and sometimes 3 betting is a good thing. Keep in mind, the games I play in are typically fantastic so this dynamic doesn't come up a ton. I'm not overly worried about balance. I take a more exploitative approach to each individual player.

Agree flatting 100% in BB is misused as mongidig indicated. Used to only all 100% flat in BB vs expert LAGTAG players only in past. That also seems incorrect now based on Dream Machine answers DonJuan got and DeathDonkey got which seems to imply mixed strategy is best.

Personally, I think of the being in BB facing a pre flop raise vs 1 opponent similar to HUHU, especially vs button and SB folded. Would never not have a mixed strategy in BB HUHU so seems incorrect to have a 100% default option unless going exclusively off Dream Machine.

This is some good stuff, mongi. Thanks for sharing.

I mean bb vs btn should be vastly different as it’s the difference between a between 85-100% range and a 45-65% range


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Thank you OnTheRail15!

Your posts are still one of my favorites and often gets saved for info to not forget in future . Wish I received your coaching in the past like Ninawilliams did and recommended like 10 years ago.

Never folding. But I never fold anyway, so whatevs.