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20/40 AK SB 4WCap 20/40 AK SB 4WCap

07-20-2021 , 04:18 PM
Recent 20/40 hand hoping to get some opinions on the line I played. 8 handed game hero in SB AdKh

Preflop - Utg+1 opens, CO & Button Call, Hero 3 bets SB, BB folds, UTG +1 4 bets, CO & Button call, Hero In SB Caps everyone calls $420 in Pot

Flop - Td 6c Kd - hero leads out, Utg +1 raises, CO & button call 2 bets, Hero 3 bets, UTG + 1 4 bets, CO & Button fold, Hero 5, Villain calls $700 in pot

Turn - 3s hero bet, villain call $780 in pot

River - 6d hero bets, villain raises, hero calls

Is this too aggressive? Is 5th bet on flop too much now that it’s heads up? Should River be check- call optimally?

Last edited by BigBadBabar; 07-20-2021 at 05:05 PM. Reason: welcome to the forum. i removed the results of the hand - that way, discussion will be better
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07-20-2021 , 06:06 PM
I don't have much experience in 5 bet cap games but I'll take a stab.

- You and UTG+1 raised at every possible opportunity preflop/flop
- I would be hesitant to re-open betting after UTG+1 raises the flop. It's good CO/Button folded, but villain is still uncapped. Also your ace might be be a bad card if up against QJ, so you might not have any good cards.
- It seems if you want to put more money in on flop not having the ace of diamond would be a better candidate. At least your opponents can have the nut flush draw.
- River no one should be folding.
- How often is villain raising with the worst hand? It seems like villain should raise all hands that beat AK - (flush, 6?). Why would villain delay river raise with a hand that beats AK on turn? KK, TT
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07-20-2021 , 07:35 PM
What hands are we targeting for value on the river? Is he really 4beting the flop with queens or jacks? Seems like there’s some history here given how aggressively you played it.
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07-20-2021 , 08:00 PM
My rationale for 3 betting the flop was that the CO/Button were likely calling with few outs and I wanted to put as much pressure on them as possible while giving the Utg plus 1 the chance to raise again and put them in a really tough spot. It seemed likely that UTG + 1 flopped a set, but could also have some combo drawing hands in his range or QJ suited. Also KQ, AK possible but less likely. Any time he doesn’t have a set I want to get as much as I can on the flop so I kept going. I think the villain slows down on the flop knowing if he raises again I’m shutting down and calling the rest of the hand. The way he played by waiting to raise on the River he could get the most bets out of me and if it was set over set then so be it. There’s no way I can ever fold once it’s down to two with how large the pot is. Having the A of diamonds seems like a positive on the flop, but a negative on the turn once the back door is no longer possible. The 6d on the River gets the flush draws there so I can’t really beat anything other then a KQ at showdown which is why I’m thinking check call was best option there.

Last edited by gtoops!; 07-20-2021 at 08:03 PM. Reason: Run on sentences
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07-20-2021 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
What hands are we targeting for value on the river? Is he really 4beting the flop with queens or jacks? Seems like there’s some history here given how aggressively you played it.
Not a ton of history but he does try to be creative and the table was very loose at the time. I would never put him on JJ or QQ in that spot.
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07-20-2021 , 08:10 PM
At 20/40, I would expect the pre-flop 4bet multiway from UTG+1 to be a super tight range. When villain raises the flop after we 5bet, I am already going into calldown mode. 5betting the flop seems pretty spewy. Many players already slow down here with AA. Every flush draw other than QdJd is blocked if villain even 4bets that pre.

The turn and river bets are pointless at best since we are basically playing for a chop. I am not very afraid of a flush on the river though. Villain's raise is weird. Sometimes I see people use the scare card to get one more value raise in with AA thinking they don't have to worry about a 3bet since the diamond should scare us. It's bad logic, but it happens. We're obv just calling to chop with an overplayed AK.
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07-20-2021 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gtoops!
Not a ton of history but he does try to be creative and the table was very loose at the time. I would never put him on JJ or QQ in that spot.
So then what range are we targeting for value? KQs exactly?
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07-20-2021 , 08:58 PM
Thank you for the responses.
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07-20-2021 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
At 20/40, I would expect the pre-flop 4bet multiway from UTG+1 to be a super tight range. When villain raises the flop after we 5bet, I am already going into calldown mode. 5betting the flop seems pretty spewy. Many players already slow down here with AA. Every flush draw other than QdJd is blocked if villain even 4bets that pre.

The turn and river bets are pointless at best since we are basically playing for a chop. I am not very afraid of a flush on the river though. Villain's raise is weird. Sometimes I see people use the scare card to get one more value raise in with AA thinking they don't have to worry about a 3bet since the diamond should scare us. It's bad logic, but it happens. We're obv just calling to chop with an overplayed AK.
+1
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