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07-07-2009 , 12:48 PM
Stars 15/30 full

Villain is strong solid TAG. Usually plays higher than 15/30. Very aggro.

Villain opens in CO. I 3bet AK in SB. Loose BB calls. CO caps, we both call.

Flop:
Q27
I check / call. BB folds.

Turn:
K

What's your plan here for the rest of the hand and why?
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07-07-2009 , 01:18 PM
Check'raise turn & lead river.
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07-07-2009 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by benwood
Check'raise turn & lead river.
Check raising the turn can get you one late street bet if he folds and cost you 4 if you're beat, right?
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07-07-2009 , 01:58 PM
donk/call, c/c
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07-07-2009 , 02:12 PM
I usally c/c and donk the river.
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07-07-2009 , 04:09 PM
i think this turn gets checked thru an awful lot.
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07-07-2009 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cgrohman
I usally c/c and donk the river.
I took this line ...
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07-07-2009 , 05:41 PM
Villain is probably capping AA (3 combos), KK (1), AK (4), KQs (2), AQ (6), QQ (3), 99-JJ (18). He might also cap something like AJs/ATs and 88. Just generalizing here. I suppose villain could also have a few hands like 9Ts/JTs here that he got frisky with PF too, but those should probably be discounted quite a bit to at most 1 combo each.

If we c/r we're behind 9 combos and all of those are going to 3bet. We tie 4 combos, which might 3bet some of the time (but probably shouldn't), and we beat something like 18-20 combos of pairs, and maybe a few unpaired Ax hands. I'd imagine villain is betting all his pairs, but should probably be bet/folding here with 88-JJ since the worst hand in your range here should really be something like AJ/ATs (maybe, although a case could be made for a flop fold with those hands some of the time), as well as some small pairs, but you would probably be c/raising those on the flop with some frequency and would be very unlikely to turn them into a bluff.

So unless you decided to c/r bluff here with AJs or 44 which seems like suicide against his range he should figure that a c/r is Kx 99% of the time and play accordingly.

So honestly I have no idea how to play this spot. I think donking is fine, but if you're playing in these games a lot then it is something you should try to balance a bit. If he folds here then if you get in a similar spot it might be a decent spot to donk with 55 or AJs as a bluff. I just don't think we have enough equity to c/r/c here since I do think he's b/folding some of the time and we get punished by all his better hands. So donk/call and c/c is probably what I'd do, since he could be raising with KJ/AK and will probably put in 2 bets with his worse hands more often this way. We also prevent him from checking back some of the time which he'd do with AT/AJs and maybe something like 88 some of the time, but he probably barrels those a decent amount.

So I'd b/c, c/c.
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07-07-2009 , 06:24 PM
Gotta know who villain is to give a really good answer here. Pretty sure c/r and call down is right against an unknown though.
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07-07-2009 , 06:27 PM
The thing is that at these levels, if you get 3 bet on on the turn you are toast.
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07-07-2009 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by boc4life
Gotta know who villain is to give a really good answer here. Pretty sure c/r and call down is right against an unknown though.
Do you see 99-JJ b/c and call down here regularly in these spots?
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07-07-2009 , 06:55 PM
No, you chop like 1/3rd of the time.

Knowing the villain is big here. Some guys will check through I guess, and others will believe your c/r and instafold, others will call down their 99-JJ/AQ. If they'll bet/calldown with those hands, then c/r calldown is clearly the best line.

I mean, you can't really mess up this spot that badly unless you fold. You can bet/calldown on the turn, or in homage to PokerBob you can c/c the turn and c/r the river maybe saving a bet vs AA. I guess c/c donk the river is viable too... I mean, villain tendencies are just massive in this spot.
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07-07-2009 , 07:16 PM
cr turn against most players... ppl bet/call down all sorts of pairs here like its their job
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07-08-2009 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Tryptamean
cr turn against most players... ppl bet/call down all sorts of pairs here like its their job
So if villain has AQ or 99-JJ, they're calling down a CR here? Would you?
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07-08-2009 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cgrohman
The thing is that at these levels, if you get 3 bet on on the turn you are toast.
Couldn't agree more.
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