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03-27-2011 , 03:49 PM

Bill Haywood

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Anyone run across win rate expressed in buy-ins?

Say you play the FT limit tournament that if i recall right is $215 entry fee.

For a solid but not extraordinary winner, what would ball park win rate be?

$215 per four entries, three?

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03-27-2011 , 04:04 PM

OnTheRail15

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You'd express it in terms of return on investment. I'm not sure what's possible in a lhe mtt and any guess I made would be pure conjecture.

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03-27-2011 , 08:15 PM

ImAllInNow

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Limit tournaments tend to have fewer # of players so your ROI can't be as high as in the huge field NL tournamets. I would guess between 5% and 15% ROI is what you should expect as a "solid but not extraordinary winner."

So that's ~$10.75-$32.25 per entry.

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03-27-2011 , 08:23 PM

ProfessorBen

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If I can attain a 30%+ ROI playing primarily turbos/hyper turbos/sats while late regging a ton of the time, 15% seems like a really low ballpark.

40% ROI is a high, but not unreasonable ceiling, with <0.5% ROI degradation for all 4 entries to deal with the negative ICM effects of merging.

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03-27-2011 , 08:48 PM

OnTheRail15

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Yeah 15% is way too low imo.

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03-27-2011 , 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorBen

If I can attain a 30%+ ROI playing primarily turbos/hyper turbos/sats while late regging a ton of the time, 15% seems like a really low ballpark.

Limit turbos/hyper turbos/sats?

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03-27-2011 , 09:45 PM

ProfessorBen

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My SS is almost entirely limit, other limit, mixed turbo/hyperturbo/sats. It also includes some regular sats and Sunday and other majors.

5%-15% definitely seems like the burden of proof is on you. I haven't put together a hudge sample size of multiple winning players and isolated solely for $200 major limit events, which seems to be the best(but pain in the ass) way to get a good answer, but smaller sample sizes, what people are willing to buy and sell in the marketplace and other steaking sites, and estimations of FT%/ITM%/cBBper100 all point to 15% being a lowball number.

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03-27-2011 , 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorBen

5%-15% definitely seems like the burden of proof is on you. I haven't put together a hudge sample size of multiple winning players and isolated solely for $200 major limit events, which seems to be the best(but pain in the ass) way to get a good answer, but smaller sample sizes, what people are willing to buy and sell in the marketplace and other steaking sites, and estimations of FT%/ITM%/cBBper100 all point to 15% being a lowball number.

Yeah, I guess I was thinking of like a daily or even weekly limit event that would get like 60-80 entrants and have mostly good players in it. If we're talking the FTOPS event in two days, I guess 5-15% is kinda low.

Also, you're not a "solid but not extraordinary winner."

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03-28-2011 , 02:00 AM

jesse8888

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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow

confirm tomato is in fact actually extraordinary.

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