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Not much on either except I haven't seen CO play a hand since I sat, about 20 hands ago.

Poker Stars $15/$30 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 7 7
UTG calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls all in, 1 fold, CO calls

Flop: (12.533 SB) 3 3 2 (4 players - 1 is all in)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB raises, CO calls, Hero calls

Turn: (9.267 BB) 3 (4 players - 1 is all in)
SB bets, CO calls, Hero calls

River: (12.267 BB) Q (4 players - 1 is all in)
SB bets, CO calls, Hero folds

i don't mind just calling flop raise but i don't see how you can justify either your turn or river plays

SB can easily have 44,55,66, A2s and 54s if he's awful. CO probably has ace high played awfully I ton of the time. No chance in hell I fold with the pot this big.

I think this is unlikely, and more unlikely is the parlay between the two players. I think you can release this on the turn.

not in my games. Is this live or something?

this is just wrong on so many levels

the CO has AK AQ here all day. If he has QQ or JJ, he's 3betting the flop.

Granted, the CO could have a passively played 88, but I view him as a non factor, i think we are ahead of him almost always.

the sb, who knows wtf he has. He could have 55 A3, 2x, AA, etc.

So, i'm calling the river

Don't fold this in 15/30 on stars. The river isn't even an overcall. I might raise the turn for value.

Korrupt your statement seems contradictory. Do you mean the river isn't an overcall as in fold it? I seriously considered raising the turn. I really felt co had ocercards but when he called the river I thought he may have had kq and gotten scared. This plus the river bet made me think I was beat but its a hugeeee pot.

Ok if I was do and had kq would this river be a raise? Trying to get an idea of how to play these games. Assume we were hu on the river.

if you have KQ, you have the nuts, so yeah, raise the river.

korrupt is saying the same thing i did, that the CO calling means he has dick, and you aren't overcalling, since he's not there.

and, CO can't have KQ, because he didn't raise the river

If you just 3bet the flop this hand plays out alot easier.

I am basing this off "CO hasn't played a hand in 20 hands" in a shorthanded game. To me this makes it more likely that he has has 88-TT and is a fearful player. I think SB calling 3 cold could also be 88-JJ, maybe even trickily played QQ-AA.

I dunno, I may be wrong, but I dont think we're good the 12.5% of the time or whatever we need to be to calldown. If I had a read that SB was stupidly aggro or way too loose PF it would be different, but he should know he's getting called in 1 place at least when he bets the river.

Then again, this seems like the kind of hand that was posted because hero folded a winner, so who knows.....

Hip, I hear what you're saying, and with different reads I might agree. But I guess the main thing I'm not so sure of is "CO has AK AQ here all day". Who folds 20 hands in a row on sh online game? This screams weaktight to me.

Hmmm yeah I played this hand pretty ****in bad. I really thought sb coldcapped but apparently he didn't. I don't think anyone can everrrrr have me beat given pf and yeah sb's line could easily include wheel draws. Co had AJs. Is that ever a good call with me behind him?

Yes, because you might fold AQ or AK. I almost never make a call based on this possibility, but its worth thinking about. In this scenario where you are mostly unknown it is pretty bad.

I think I need to not sit SH anymore unless I know there's at least 1 fish.

SB was Spottydotty who I remember reading about so I figured was a solid player. he/she had 66.

How do we feel about her river bet? In a HU situation I VB 66 there without ever thinking about it but in a 3-way pot, when someone OBVIOUSLY has AK/AQ/AJ I think I'd rather check-eval.

You guys are the experts so some insight in to that would be great.

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SB was Spottydotty who I remember reading about so I figured was a solid player. he/she had 66.
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Spotty is freakin' nuts, there is no chance you are folding 77 on the river vs. him. Also if you value bet it he might just c/r, cause he is nuts.

hip explained what i meant just fine. Just calling the river and turn really indicates a hand that 77 beats. Spotty plays everything from 10/20 to 100/200 and what you'll find with players that do this is that they are more willing to jam at the lower levels with weaker holdings. I would consider it an overcall if you had a duece or Ace high, but certainly not with what was previously an overpair in a pot where you haven't defined your hand to your opponents. Dotty was expecting to scoop a nice pot here and must have been surprised to see your hand. Think about it from his perspective. When you just call the flop c/r he has no reason to think that 66 isn't the nuts.

I think betting is fine if you think A high will pay you off. I imagine we have to call in a pot of this size if we check, but we'll usually be beat, so if we're putting a bet in it should go in more often when we're ahead if we bet blah.