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Old 05-24-2020, 04:03 AM   #1
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yet another PC recommendation thread (along with some questions)

Hey guys - please help me:

I want to buy a Desktop PC (my first since 2005) for playing poker and solver use. For the most part the solving will be running multiple flops (scripts) for aggregation reports with PIO Pro and maybe in the near future also a bit of pre-flop solving.
I have one 27 inch monitor (USB-C, HDMI) and mb want a second in the future.

I don´t play video games. For every other (office) use i will stick with my MacbookPro.

I read a couple of threads and want to go for a Ryzen 7 3700 and 64 gb ram.

Please help me with suggestions for components. Budget is around EURO 800-1400.

My further questions:

1.) I see that a lot of Mainboards have onboard graphics and HDMI ports etc. Do I need an extra GPU? If yes how do i connect multiple monitors to it? Can i use the motherboard and the gpu hdmi connection?

2.) How important is the company/brand of the memory, motherboard and ssd drive or do i want to go for the cheapest?

3.) Should I choose a motherboard with capability of 128gb memory regarding future solver use?

4.) Right now i use my MBP (Win 10, via Bootcamp) with an i5 6267u 2.9ghz and 16 gb ram. Solutions for 49 flops in a 3BP take me 24hours to an accuracy of 0.3%, Solutions for 49 flops in SRP (acc. 0.5%) way longer. Also I don´t want to play while it´s solving.

How much faster will the Ryzen 7 3700 be?

5.) Should i just stick with playing on my MBP connected to the Monitor and rent a server for solver use?
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Old 05-24-2020, 04:59 AM   #2
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1) motherboards don't have on board graphics, they have display out options in case your cpu comes with integrated graphics, like Intel non K and Ryzen G series if we're talking about modern desktop cpus. R7 3700 will require a dedicated gpu but if you run 2 1080p monitors, you can get a cheap one, either new or sh. a 15$ card will do the job

2) both are important, best bang/$ is almost never found when you buy cheapest, just as you have to pay a luxury tax for the top end, there's a poor man's tax for the really cheap stuff. as a good rule, mid range is where you want to shop if you're looking for solid value

3) sure, why not

4) waaaay faster

5) I believe you'l come out cheaper in the long run if you get your own pc
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Old 05-24-2020, 06:02 AM   #3
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1) motherboards don't have on board graphics, they have display out options in case your cpu comes with integrated graphics, like Intel non K and Ryzen G series if we're talking about modern desktop cpus. R7 3700 will require a dedicated gpu but if you run 2 1080p monitors, you can get a cheap one, either new or sh. a 15$ card will do the job

2) both are important, best bang/$ is almost never found when you buy cheapest, just as you have to pay a luxury tax for the top end, there's a poor man's tax for the really cheap stuff. as a good rule, mid range is where you want to shop if you're looking for solid value

3) sure, why not

4) waaaay faster

5) I believe you'l come out cheaper in the long run if you get your own pc
thanks for your quick reply - that was very helpful!

ad 3.) because i saw that most mid-range motherboards have a max memory capacity of 64GB ... - so my favorite setup would be 2x 32 gb now and maybe two more later...

if a gpu has for example 1x DVI, 1x HDMI - can i run multimonitoring just by using one each? that said i need adapters to connect 2 hdmi/usb-c monitors?
or do i want to invest in a gpu with 2 hdmi than?
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Old 05-24-2020, 08:56 AM   #4
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if a gpu has for example 1x DVI, 1x HDMI - can i run multimonitoring just by using one each?
Yes.
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Old 05-24-2020, 09:05 AM   #5
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yep DVI is a digital signal (unlike VGA) and can be converted to either displayport or hdmi. cards with 2 HDMI ports tend to be more expensive, you will find cheap old Quadro cards with 2 DP tho. for affordable 2 hdmis you can check the sh market for older gaming cards.

if you're going for the R7 3700x, go for a decent quality B450 or X470 mobo
for a R9 3900x , need good x470 or X570

here's a board tier list https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ntly-amd-only/

ssd buying guide https://www.reddit.com/user/NewMaxx/...ing_guide_wip/

ram doesn't have to be super high speed, just go with 2666Mhz+, difference in performance is negligible
best check compatibility prior on the motherboard's manufacturer website, google the model name and you will find the list of ram dimms tested in the support section. other ones will 90% work tho

don't cheap out on the psu and try to get a case that allows for air to be drawn in
R7 doesn't really need an aftermarket cooler, R9 does.
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Old 05-24-2020, 12:09 PM   #6
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yep DVI is a digital signal (unlike VGA) and can be converted to either displayport or hdmi. cards with 2 HDMI ports tend to be more expensive, you will find cheap old Quadro cards with 2 DP tho. for affordable 2 hdmis you can check the sh market for older gaming cards.

if you're going for the R7 3700x, go for a decent quality B450 or X470 mobo
for a R9 3900x , need good x470 or X570

here's a board tier list https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ntly-amd-only/

ssd buying guide https://www.reddit.com/user/NewMaxx/...ing_guide_wip/

ram doesn't have to be super high speed, just go with 2666Mhz+, difference in performance is negligible
best check compatibility prior on the motherboard's manufacturer website, google the model name and you will find the list of ram dimms tested in the support section. other ones will 90% work tho

don't cheap out on the psu and try to get a case that allows for air to be drawn in
R7 doesn't really need an aftermarket cooler, R9 does.
cheers again, i´m tending to a 3800x now.

case: BE QUIET! Pure Base 600 black

power: BE QUIET! System Power 9 500W

mobo: ASUS Prime X570-P

cpu: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, 8x 3.90GHz, boxed

memory: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX schwarz DIMM Kit 64GB, DDR4-3000

SDD: SAMSUNG SSD 860 EVO 500GB SATA 6Gb/s

STORAGE: WD Blue 4000GB, SATA 6Gb/s (WD40EZRZ)

GPU: SAPPHIRE Pulse Radeon RX 550 4GD5, 4GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI,

WIFI: ASUS PCE-N15, 300Mbps, PCIe x1 (MIMO)

any final comments?

i could by that at a store in my country - they will put it together for me -
just under 1400 euro - is that okay?
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Old 05-24-2020, 01:19 PM   #7
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go for it, the price is reasonable
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Old 05-24-2020, 02:04 PM   #8
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I'd have them put 4 fans in it. The Be Quiet cases can run hot. You sacrifice air flow for that quietness.
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Old 05-24-2020, 04:11 PM   #9
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Put memory at 3200 Mhz. For Ryzen 3000 series memory sweet spot is at 3600 Mhz so..you need min. 3200 Mhz!
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Old 05-25-2020, 02:31 AM   #10
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won't make any diff for solver use
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Old 05-25-2020, 03:38 AM   #11
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I'd have them put 4 fans in it. The Be Quiet cases can run hot. You sacrifice air flow for that quietness.
what would be the consequences?
should i go 4 another case?
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to be fair, I've only tested ram speed with solvers on the 2700x
they might've changed stuff with the newer gen idk
doubt it's more than a measly 1-2% increase in cpu performance tho
as far as memory speed is concerned, solver just loads the trees in ram and cpu does all the work, that's why older dual xeon systems with ddr3 perform just as well as as an equivalent modern Ryzen, as far as I can tell, solver just cares about sustained speed x threads
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what would be the consequences?
should i go 4 another case?
if you will be using the the stock cooler, which is down firing, it makes sense that you go for a case with side mounted fans, cause the fans will blow straight into your cooler, as well as vrms, ram and ssd. if you use a tower cooler, you want front mounted fans, same reason.

I have 2 R7 2700x systems (with stocker coolers), one has a fancy mesh front panel case and one has literally the cheapest decent case I could find with 2 side mounted fans. https://www.riotoro.com/cr-100be . nothing fancy, 20 eur case.

temps are way better overall on the cheap one, not only on the cpu, but the vrms and ssd as well.

but if you're getting your pc done by some business, you have to go with whatever is in stock over there. here's a great review on the be quiet case, if you have the patience to watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWuDkKjz6D0
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to answer your question op, if it gets too hot in your case and that affects cpu temps , the auto overcloking feature Ryzen has will dial down voltage and thus cpu clocks to stop it from going over a certain threshold in temps and ultimately cook itself to death. same goes for the vrms on your motherboard, if they go over 100c or so, system will slow down a bit in an attempt to reduce temps and kill your board, tho I see the mobo you picked seems to have good vrm cooling so that might not be an issue at all.

it just depends on many factors, but the decrease in performance I'm talking about will not be a world of difference and you won't destroy your computer, just something you can avoid or improve by having better cooling

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to answer your question op, if it gets too hot in your case and that affects cpu temps , the auto overcloking feature Ryzen has will dial down voltage and thus cpu clocks to stop it from going over a certain threshold in temps and ultimately cook itself to death. same goes for the vrms on your motherboard, if they go over 100c or so, system will slow down a bit in an attempt to reduce temps and kill your board, tho I see the mobo you picked seems to have good vrm cooling so that might not be an issue at all.

it just depends on many factors, but the decrease in performance I'm talking about will not be a world of difference and you won't destroy your computer, just something you can avoid or improve by having better cooling
Thank you - really appreciate your comments.

Actually i got plenty of cases to choose from, i just took one, which looks good and is in "that mid-price range".

Those are my options (some descriptions words are german, sry 4 that):

SHARKOON VS4-S, USB 2.0
34,85
SHARKOON VG4-V, USB 3.0
40,90
SHARKOON VG5-W Blau mit Sichtfenster
48,10
CORSAIR Carbide Series 100R Silent Edition, schallgedämmt
62,90
FRACTAL DESIGN Define R6 Black, schallgedämmt
139,05
BE QUIET! Pure Base 600 silber, schallgedämmt
80,60
BE QUIET! Silent Base 600 Orange
99,70
COOLER MASTER Force 500 Midi-Tower - schwarz
51,00
CHIEFTEC Elox HC-10B schwarz
47,70
Antec NX310 schwarz, Glasfenster
54,95
THERMALTAKE Versa H21
37,40
CHIEFTEC BM-25B
70,50
BE QUIET! Pure Base 600 schwarz, schallgedämmt
79,00

Another thing - do i need more than the 500W power supply?
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so you're using the stock cpu cooler?
that 500w psu will do
if you plan on getting a more powerful gpu in the future, maybe upgrade the cpu to a R9 at some point, better get 6-700w
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actually the first one you had picked (pure base 600) looks like the best buy from that list considering potential future upgrades and such, the rest of them seem kind of cramped
just make sure you buy 2 additional fans and ask the guys to install them for you
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so you're using the stock cpu cooler?
that 500w psu will do
if you plan on getting a more powerful gpu in the future, maybe upgrade the cpu to a R9 at some point, better get 6-700w
i am not sure about the cpu cooler and the power.

i have options there is as well:

BE QUIET! Pure Rock Slim
26,00
BE QUIET! Pure Rock
34,90
COOLER MASTER MasterLiquid Lite 120 (MLW-D12M-A20PW-R1)
50,45
CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 2018 (CW-9060036-WW)
90,90
COOLER MASTER Hyper H410R RGB
28,50
COOLERMASTER Hyper 212 LED White Edition
36,35
BE QUIET! Dark Rock Slim
55,75


INTER-TECH Netzteil INTER-TECH SL-500W(A) ATX, 500W
29,90
BE QUIET! PURE POWER 11 300W
51,00
BE QUIET! PURE POWER 11 400W
60,90
BE QUIET! System Power 9 500W
59,90
CORSAIR Builder Series CX450, 80 Plus Bronze
59,90
CORSAIR VS Series VS450 (2018) 450W ATX 2.31
47,90
CORSAIR VS Series VS550 (2018) 550W ATX 2.31
54,00
CORSAIR VS Series VS650 (2018) 650W ATX 2.31
64,90
ASUS ROG-STRIX-550G, ROG Strix Gold 550W ATX 2.4
120,90
Cooler Master Reactor Gold Full Modular 550W ATX 2.31
82,50
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what would be the consequences?
should i go 4 another case?
The hotter your CPU/drive/RAM get, the lower speeds you will see. It also will affect lifetime of the hardware.
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I'd stick with stock cooler for now
the corsair vs series are kind of meh nothing special, but I'd pick the 650w one instead just in case there's an upgrade down the road
it's a shame because that x570 board can take a solid R9 and they'l drop in price a lot in a few years. one big advantage a custom built desktop has is upgradability and the fact that this way you can have a powerful system for many years to come for cheap, since you only need to swap the cpu (and/or gpu if you need it)
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