Btw for anyone who's looked at it, there is a major bug in my code which would cause problems in production. Mr. "I've done dozens of these apps and am probably bitter" caught it immediately of course. But none of you have caught it yet so I feel a little better.

or CSS

I don't know suzzer, sounds like you "weren't a good fit" for the role you interviewed for so not sure what else to say there. I would have pushed back when I saw the code assignment if I were you.

I actually thought I did a pretty good job of showing my architecture skills like they asked. I figured they knew what they were doing and wouldn't put me in a position where they expected a ton of specialized knowledge.

At my company we have specialists that do the HTML and CSS. Not sure if it's that way everywhere. We can't have all devs rolling their own on that because it needs to be cohesive across our monster site.

Should I have to do anything special to make it, uh, do something? Like be interactive? Or just open the index page and go?

Use your arrow keys and Enter.

LOOOOOL "Sparky" just got back to me. Totally unexpected - our last correspondence I basically gave my argument back to most of the dings I got. I figured he'd never want to talk to me again.

On a web page?

Ew.

Anais, read the assignment before you start doing things. It's in the specs folder. The idea is designing an interface that will be used by a device (IE - remote control, no mouse).

Ah, gotcha

Grats on the callback, so to speak.

It was a close call anyway. With moving and some bonuses I have coming up, the money's pretty much a wash for 2 years. My gf said she's not going to try to make long distance work and would be a "free agent" lol. I just bought a condo that I was going to have to figure out how to rent out. And I know exactly zero people in Los Gatos or the SJ area.

I think after all this I'm gonna stay where I'm at. Maybe in a year I'll be more receptive. I guess I'll at least talk to this guy and see what he has to say. He'll probably have some ridiculous take home assignment that I'll spend all day on and fail miserably.

Moral question for the day: I've been at my job as a lead dev (non mgmt) for a few months, today I found out that a mid level developer under me is looking for a new job, should I tell my boss and probably get him fired?

Does it matter that he's bad at his job/slow/disappears all the time/doesn't produce much and worse, incredibly irritating to be around? I'd love to see him gone regardless.

Immoral imo

I work with folks looking for new jobs, quality of work has declined. Not up to me to be the one judging other people's work.

Absolutely if he's under you and sucks. I would tell my boss in a heartbeat.

Comments from my gf's coworker about X:

Do not do anymore coding exercises. I hear stories about them trolling for free code

They can be very sneaky. Plus sometimes they are not really looking to hire but are just putting feelers out to see what's out there.

They pay above market to make up for lack if job security. But you knew that.

There is a culture of fear. If you are stuck on a bad project, you are toast.

But they often want to test the market to get a feel of the talent pool.

Not surprising imo. I got a ben afflek boiler room speech vibe from their corporate culture slides.

yuck.

Don't say anything. If he is looking for work, he will be gone soon anyways.

Poor performance, yes, looking for a job, depends on how you found out, but probably not a lot to gain by sharing that. I also don't know why "looking for a job" will get someone fired.

This seems a little paranoid.

This is standard practice at a lot of places.

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Our homework assignment is more complicated than my one sentence. But regardless the idea of handling things like errors/failures IS a concept. And an important one.

I 100% agree with both of candy bars last posts.

Newsflash! It's 2015 and you shouldn't expect your employees to dedicate their entire life to your current company.

A data pipeline that runs in production!

I was going to write up a more detailed response but I'm stuck on my phone and frankly it seems like it'll be frustrating to have to defend it with little value to myself.

I just got the nicest rejection letter from a company. Yeah, it was a form letter, but it was kind enough to point out that I was among less than 10% of all applicants who got called in. It was incredibly well-written, soft, and well thought-out.

At a prior interview, I was tested on my SQL and data knowledge. Each question had a "trap," meaning if you didn't think the query through and didn't think about the issues the base data had, you were going to end up with a lot of false results. The goal was to test my ability to see all the issues coming up without being prompted, and this goal wasn't told to me at the end of the coding test. They were quite surprised I caught everything.

After I wrote one piece of code, the interviewer said "here, let me show you a better way." After a few minutes, he said, "Well, actually, I *don't* know a better way."

I didn't get this job despite nailing every technical detail. It is nothing personal, and there is no way a candidate can look back and say why a hire didn't happen. Ideas aren't sacred, and there's nothing perfect about any word I write in a code test, and even if I feel I did my best, I can't dismiss others opinion of my work out of hand. In fact, it may have nothing at all to do with my code. I don't know and... so what? I've conducted dozens of interviews and I honestly couldn't write in paper why I didn't hire certain people.

suzzer, I really don't understand the whole screed and I don't understand where the accusations of ageism comes from. It just seems like you are blaming the employer for things that just aren't based on anything of substance. They even extended further correspondence to you when they didn't have to, and that is followed by a justification they use applicants to get free code. Sorry to be blunt, but this makes you sound rather toxic. I get you are saying a lot of this out of anger, but yikes, these are all very personal accusations to make of strangers.

I get that you are venting, but it is just rejection and it isn't anything personal. If we consider the classic job-hunting analogy of dating, a woman will measure a man's worth not at first blush, but the first test, and for many women, that first test is "no." How you react when you hear that word is the true test.

Regardless, after seeing that screencast, I don't think you lost out on much outside of a shiny name on your resume. You have a framework and you don't need validation from these guys.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/04...nation-lawsuit

I know it's Google, but I don't think it's all that different around the area.

From the linked story:

http://www.computerworld.com/article...n-lawsuit.html

The data the lawsuit uses to set the median age at 29 was collected by Payscale, a benefits and compensation research company. The data was based on 840 profiles of full-time, regular, U.S.-based employees. In the case of Google, the margin of error was about 4%, according to Katie Bardaro, Payscale’s lead economist and director of analytics.

Payscale operates an ongoing online compensation survey. "People come to our survey to understand their price in the labor market and how they compare to others like them," said Bardaro said. In the survey, participants are asked about their job, their employer, background characteristics and demographics.

Uh, the data is collected from a volunteer-based survey company using a sample of 840 profiles. What?

Median means "most" not "average." Of course 40-somethings are going to be under-represented.

Exactly - if it's an important concept, why not bring it up and see if the candidate understands the concept and can apply it in a reasonable manner? I don't understand the point of deliberately not mentioning something that is important to you, then dinging the candidate for not bringing it up.

There's practically an infinite number of ways take-home assignments can be judged and it's impossible for any actual submission to score high on all of them. This means if you're not clear on how it will be judged, you're judging candidates based on their ability to guess which criteria are important to you.