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09-19-2011 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
How the hell are there not more companies offering Heroku's "you don't have to know **** about sysadmin" at reasonable prices? You would think the demand is huge....
There's actually a big opportunity for Heroku-like companies in a lot of different "you don't have to know **** about X" areas. And there are also a lot of people/groups interested in investing in Heroku-like companies.
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09-19-2011 , 09:22 PM
I've been keeping an eye out on http://www.cloudfoundry.com since April or May or whenever they announced their service and demo'd it on Youtube. It's not out yet officially but we'll see what happens soon. It's backed by VMWare and their presentation looked very impressive.
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09-19-2011 , 09:52 PM
You guys are way underestimating the value of managed services to a company. The ability to pay for someone to solve a major problem that is necessary to you, but not a core part of your business, is huge. It's worth a lot. Sys admin, for example, can be a huge time sink. If you don't need a full time admin, then you either need to find a part-time contractor (which carries a lot of issues) or you eat up valuable developer time on it.
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09-19-2011 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
You guys are way underestimating the value of managed services to a company. The ability to pay for someone to solve a major problem that is necessary to you, but not a core part of your business, is huge. It's worth a lot. Sys admin, for example, can be a huge time sink. If you don't need a full time admin, then you either need to find a part-time contractor (which carries a lot of issues) or you eat up valuable developer time on it.
this +100 for me personally
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09-19-2011 , 11:39 PM
I don't think they really offer a huge service. From the looks of things on their site your developer(s) will need to learn how to use Heroku's platform.

Heroku isn't going to fix your buggy code or do anything special once your stack is installed. All it does is restart processes that might crash automatically but nearly every web language has multiple open source projects written by very reputable people who will do this.

Basically, once your stack is installed your developers are left having to manage Heroku's platform and you're left paying $200+ a month for this or more. Your developers will need to get their hands a little dirty.

I would much rather spend my time learning linux and working with the technologies I use directly because that information can be applied anywhere. When you "learn Heroku", you learn nothing other than how to use their system.
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09-20-2011 , 12:28 AM
To deploy on Heroku, you just do a "git push" command. "git push" and your site is up and running. That is the service they offer. For someone who doesn't know how to setup a server to run a website, it's pretty nice.
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09-20-2011 , 12:32 AM
The situation from the home front is worse than I thought. I asked if I could see the web guy's code. Oh, said management, he hasn't done any code.

wtf? I asked. He's been working on the front page for over two weeks and he doesn't have any code yet?

I told the management that the way the code stands right now, there is absolutely no way in hell he can work with it. He sent us another home page that he apparently rendered in MSPaint. I told the manager that a real developer would have looked at the code and told you this was nuts, that he has to build from scratch, and that it would take a special kind of psycho to attempt to extend a tabled web PAGE of 1000 lines, much less do it for a whole site, add PHP, fix the JS.

Of course, our hero is going to make the site really pretty by adding some fairy dust to the CSS.

During lunch, I printed out the current source code for the home page. I didn't actually. I stopped the printer because you know, if I print out 1000 lines of code, I'll empty the paper tray. I figured I had enough to circle the mistakes.

I began examining the code, still during lunch, and I became so pissed, so angry, so viscerally upset, that I began to tear up. The notes began to look like the rantings of a lunatic. So after doing this, I didn't have time to eat and I clocked back in 10 minutes late.

My only option at this point is go to complete ******* mode. The next meeting is tomorrow and I am going to talk to this guy like a developer, but dumbed down enough that everyone around can see how hopeless he is.

I'm not lying when I say this site is the absolute worse pile of steaming **** I ever seen on a website. When I thought I seen it all, this ****ing site conveniently leads to 404s all over the place, fails, crashes, loads slow, and according to the guy we have now: the problems with the JS are because of browser issues. Of course, if he actually looked at the garbage excuse for code, he would know that it is all done in jQuery.

A few highlights:

Code:
.urbangreymenu .headerbar{
font: normal 11px arial;
color: white;
line-height:220%;
background: transparent ; /*last 2 values are the x and y coordinates of bullet image*/
margin:0px; /*bottom spacing between header and rest of content*/
text-transform: none;
padding: 0px 0 3px 0px; /*31px is left indentation of header text*/
}
See if you can't guess where this one's going:

Code:
$('a.jt:eq(1)').cluetip({
  local: true, hideLocal: true,
  positionBy: 'fixed',
  cluetipClass: 'jtip', 
  arrows: false, 
  dropShadow: false,
  hoverIntent: false,
  sticky: true,
  mouseOutClose: true,
  closePosition: 'bottom'
//  closePosition: 'title'
//  closeText: '<img src="images/cross.png" alt="close" />'
});




$('a.jt:eq(2)').cluetip({
  local: true, hideLocal: true,
  positionBy: 'fixed',
  cluetipClass: 'jtip', 
  arrows: false, 
  dropShadow: false,
  hoverIntent: false,
  sticky: true,
  mouseOutClose: true,
  closePosition: 'bottom'
//  closePosition: 'title'
//  closeText: '<img src="images/cross.png" alt="close" />'
});




$('a.jt:eq(3)').cluetip({
  local: true, hideLocal: true,
  positionBy: 'fixed',
  cluetipClass: 'jtip', 
  arrows: false, 
  dropShadow: false,
  hoverIntent: false,
  sticky: true,
  mouseOutClose: true,
  closePosition: 'bottom'
//  closePosition: 'title'
//  closeText: '<img src="images/cross.png" alt="close" />'
});
Did anyone guess 10? 15?

Still shot too low:

Code:
$('a.jt:eq(21)').cluetip({
  local: true, hideLocal: true,
  positionBy: 'fixed',
  cluetipClass: 'jtip', 
  arrows: false, 
  dropShadow: false,
  hoverIntent: false,
  sticky: true,
  mouseOutClose: true,
  closePosition: 'bottom'
//  closePosition: 'title'
//  closeText: '<img src="images/cross.png" alt="close" />'
});
I don't have the patience or the time to pretty the markup to semi-readable form, but if you expected that the tables are loaded with nbsp and <br> to help format it more, plus include a bunch of classes and ids that don't exist anywhere withing 500 servers of the site, then you are only about half-way.

Here's how the images are done within the HTML:

[code]

<img href=www.theSite.com/somewhereElse/somewhereElse/subPageSectionX/page215/"
/>
[code]

It should be loudly apparent to anyone with minimal knowledge of site building or programming how bad this is going to get after reading the first few lines of the actual page:

Code:
<html> 
<head> 
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <title>[][][][][][][][][][][][]</title> <meta name="Description" content="InvidMedia - MyEcommerce - Design, Development, DataManagement, Deployment InvidMedia - MyEcommerce - Design, Development, DataManagement, Deployment"/> <meta name="Keywords" content="Invidmedia, Design, Development, DataManagement, Deployment, Open Source, PHP, MySQL, Oracle, Web Design, Web Development,, Invidmedia, Design, Development, DataManagement, Deployment, Open Source, PHP, MySQL, Oracle, Web Design, Web Development,"/> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"/>
If you can't guess, our company has no dealings with Oracle, PHP, opensource, or anything remotely relating to these topics. SEO for the win?
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09-20-2011 , 12:52 AM
Just a HU probably want to remove company name from that code segment.

It seems to be getting to you a lot, can't you just report your concerns to management then sit back and watch the fail boat sail? I always think at my other jobs might as well tell them my thoughts, if they ignore them it's their fault. If they get angry at you for any reason just refer them back to the conversation you tried to have with them. I highly doubt this individual is going to bankrupt the company and make your job in jeopardy? (I might be wrong?)

I'm a bit confused about your roll still, is this all your responsibility? If not I don't see what else you can do so might as well just try your best to ignore it.

Don't take it so to heart, work is work and there's not point losing any sleep over it. Life is to short!
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09-20-2011 , 12:56 AM
<title>[][][][][][][][][][][][]</title>

lololol
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09-20-2011 , 01:00 AM
There's no mention of my company in that snippet. I was sure to take that out. The names you see are whatever else that I'm not sure about.

The title tag was done correctly, but as I said, I had to remove any identifying marks. But glad you got to laugh.
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09-20-2011 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
To deploy on Heroku, you just do a "git push" command. "git push" and your site is up and running. That is the service they offer. For someone who doesn't know how to setup a server to run a website, it's pretty nice.
It's also the way they integrate add ons. There's a lot of things people can add to their setups without having to know anything.
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09-20-2011 , 07:30 AM
DaveT - What's a win for you? Is it that they fire this guy and hire someone else?

I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to accomplish and if I were you I'd be very worried that I'm coming across as a grouchy employee and who can't work with others (regardless of how valid your complaints are). It also sounds like this is starting to effect your other work (clocking in late for example).
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09-20-2011 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I began examining the code, still during lunch, and I became so pissed, so angry, so viscerally upset, that I began to tear up. The notes began to look like the rantings of a lunatic. So after doing this, I didn't have time to eat and I clocked back in 10 minutes late.
Sounds like you were working during lunch. Why were you clocked out?
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09-20-2011 , 08:22 AM
Saw the company name in the code. Might want to remove that.
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09-20-2011 , 08:25 AM
Also apparently according to the website you help online BUISNESSes with SEO
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09-20-2011 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
There's no mention of my company in that snippet. I was sure to take that out. The names you see are whatever else that I'm not sure about.

The title tag was done correctly, but as I said, I had to remove any identifying marks. But glad you got to laugh.
Last code fragment, meta description
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09-20-2011 , 09:39 AM
Title could just be a placeholder as he thinks about it for a bit? I don't think anyone would release a site with that title.

Seriously maybe have a week off or something? It's really not that big a deal imo, the industry is full of incompetent overconfident people that's just the way it is!
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09-20-2011 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TheIrishThug
Sounds like you were working during lunch. Why were you clocked out?
Maybe because looking over the code really isn't his job? (Not sarcastic, legitimate question for daveT).

One of my big pet peeves when I was managing people was when people spent time criticising or 'helping' other people when they were suppose to be doing their own job. It ends up with having two people not doing what they're suppose to be doing instead of just one.

That's kind of how daveT is coming off to me - but I understand that he's venting a bit in this thread so that might not be how he's coming off in real life.
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09-20-2011 , 10:47 AM
I assure you the company name is not in the code. I rechecked several times (that shows you how wild the code is.). Yeah, i am venting more than doing. I just cannot stand seeing people get screwed over though.
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09-20-2011 , 11:09 AM
Sorry thought InvidMedia was the name
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09-20-2011 , 11:47 AM
i would be afraid to invest in InvidMedia because i would fear that the Robotech Masters would be close behind in search of a Protoculture website.

more important question for dave: how serious can you be about a company that has you clocking in/out? that's some blue collar horse**** right there.
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09-20-2011 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
To deploy on Heroku, you just do a "git push" command. "git push" and your site is up and running. That is the service they offer. For someone who doesn't know how to setup a server to run a website, it's pretty nice.
This functionality isn't exclusive to Heroku. There's dozens of open source projects that will do this for you with nearly no setup time / nitty gritty setup processes.
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09-20-2011 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
This functionality isn't exclusive to Heroku. There's dozens of open source projects that will do this for you with nearly no setup time / nitty gritty setup processes.
links plz
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09-20-2011 , 12:52 PM
SPRINGLOOOOOOOOOPS

Last edited by anononon; 09-20-2011 at 12:52 PM. Reason: sort of
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09-20-2011 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
links plz
https://github.com/capistrano/capistrano
This one is for Ruby. I'm not a Ruby developer but hear nothing but good things about it. There's also a few other less verbose github projects out there.

http://rsms.me/2011/03/23/ec2-wep-app-template.html
Looks like a solid guide for EC2 and node.js.

http://deadlytechnology.com/web-deve...ites-with-git/
A more general purpose solution, looks ok but maybe a little painful to setup.

Edit:
My definition of "nearly no setup time" is something along the lines of "won't take the whole frikken afternoon". I think spending 10 to 90 minutes to set it up is certainly reasonable since it's only something you need to do once.
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