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11-03-2013 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
What do Apple / Linux web-dev houses do in regards to making things work in IE.
i was hoping this was a setup for a joke.

(more srsly, i'll toss out Sauce Labs again as a potential solution for this class of problem.)

Last edited by tyler_cracker; 11-03-2013 at 01:49 AM. Reason: browser as a service -> like a BaaS
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11-03-2013 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tyler_cracker
i was hoping this was a setup for a joke.
Nope.

But you know what is a joke? How to remove duplicates in Libre Office Calc.

If anyone ever questions why Libre Office isn't as good as Excel again...
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11-03-2013 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
What do Apple / Linux web-dev houses do in regards to making things work in IE. Is there basically one person working on the design on a windows machine and pushing the changes? Seems like a dependency nightmare.
browserstack.com (or similar) should work
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11-03-2013 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
browserstack.com (or similar) should work


I guess cross-browser stuff really is hard.
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11-03-2013 , 04:51 AM
ha! that is pretty hilarious. you should forward that to their support.
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11-03-2013 , 05:05 AM
Aren't I supposed to write a blog post on the issue and submit it to Hacker News with a provocative title warning users not to fall for scam companies first?

I sent them an email with a link to the screen shot with an offer to contact me if they need more information. Nice idea. Hopefully it helps.
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11-03-2013 , 05:14 AM
The service is actually very useful and works well.
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11-03-2013 , 06:11 AM
We were arrogant enough to tell them to use Firefox. Bundling with FF and putting a nice big "Start ERP" button on the desktop that launched FF pointed to the URL of the ERP was pretty much all we offered. The in house browser that we tested against was actually Konqueror (most standards compliant at the time+founder was a KDE fanboy :P).

[everything worked perfectly fine in IE and multiple other browsers but **** closed source software]

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11-03-2013 , 06:49 AM
FF is so bloated now it's annoying. If chrome just let me toggle between tabs easily using a keyboard shortcut, it would be the perfect browser. I do stuff where I'm going back-and-forth between two tabs all the time.

I cannot begin to express how annoying it is that I can't just hit control tab to flip back-and-forth between tabs like I do with FF (with plugin), or with any text editor. The lack of that one feature is almost a dealbreaker for me. There is a plug-in, but it seems to work about half the time – which is more annoying than if it didn't exist at all.

You can also hit command-1 and command-2 on Mac – but that means you always have to have your tabs at one and two. And when you hit alt-tab to get back to Chrome form say Sublime, for some reason that's not the right kind of focus and command-1 doesn't work. Tilts me to no end.

Last edited by suzzer99; 11-03-2013 at 06:56 AM.
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11-03-2013 , 06:53 AM
Latest FF update supposedly made it a lot faster, I'm hearing people are actually switching Chrome->FF these days

I don't know I've always used FF/Iceweasel never even installed Chrome (guess it comes as a default on Android? I installed FF there as well). FF has always been "good enough, why switch" for me, I'd guess the same would be true for people using Chrome.

I also like the fact that the Mozilla Foundation exists so I don't mind supporting them a bit. I also use Thunderbird even though it has been a bitch lately with Google Calender (I'm actually looking for some different calender as well and kind of want to fade out Google stuff)
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11-03-2013 , 06:59 AM
FF on Mac has been pretty sucky. Is that changing?
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11-03-2013 , 07:02 AM
No idea, my last Mac was a Powerbook G4. Haven't even used an x86 Mac

I'd think most Mac users would just use Safari.

Edit: Just saw someone posted a Replicant story on HN. Confirmed they read 2p2 and pick whatever is on the current page of this thread!
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11-03-2013 , 07:04 AM
Safari is horrible - at least the developer tools.
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11-03-2013 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
FF is so bloated now it's annoying. If chrome just let me toggle between tabs easily using a keyboard shortcut, it would be the perfect browser. I do stuff where I'm going back-and-forth between two tabs all the time.
install the vimium extension
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11-03-2013 , 10:46 AM
I recently went Chrome->FF on Windows though that's largely because of an idiotic change to the homepage UI (they buried features I actually wanted behind a menu while replacing something like half my screen with a search bar that literally does the exact same thing as the existing search bar. If you type anything in it the bar instantly disappears and redirects your input to the top of the screen)
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11-03-2013 , 10:58 AM
I don't like FF on mac because it won't go to the url I type in all the time, it will go to a URL that it thinks I want I go to, the only way to make it stop is disable history in the URL bar, which is a pain in the ass when you were using it for your memory...
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11-03-2013 , 05:19 PM
I've been using Opera as my main browser for a long time now. Never had a problem or reason to change. Everything just works and most browsers end up copying the features Opera adds anyways. It's been like that for 5 years now.
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11-03-2013 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
The service is actually very useful and works well.
I didn't suggest their service is bad.

I use FF at home and Chrome at work. I stopped using Chrome because I found out there was some bug in the JS engine that throttles the browser and cpu. The only reason I prefer Chrome at work is because I use F6 (go to url bar) a ton, and it is one tap on Chrome and 4 or 5 on FF.

Not sure what the discussion is irt to the broken hot-keys. I imagine this is an Apple only issue? They are the same for me either way on both Windows and Linux.

I've tried Opera a few times. Always felt a bit too slow for my tastes, though I will admit that it generally felt more advanced than anything else out there.
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11-03-2013 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I didn't suggest their service is bad.

I use FF at home and Chrome at work. I stopped using Chrome because I found out there was some bug in the JS engine that throttles the browser and cpu. The only reason I prefer Chrome at work is because I use F6 (go to url bar) a ton, and it is one tap on Chrome and 4 or 5 on FF.
Control+L.

As a FED there is simply no alternative to chrome. CDT > Firebug by a huge margin just in simple UI not to mention addons you can dl (or write/tweak). And in pure speed it dominates in every visible metric that I can see.
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11-04-2013 , 05:58 AM
Code:
countOfSeeminglyCoolStartupsThatBaffleGmEvenAfterReadingTheirFaq++;
can someone please explain this to me?
https://ripple.com
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11-04-2013 , 08:26 AM
Yeah I don't know wtf Ripple is. I know on BitStamp.net you can buy Ripples. But no idea what they are or why I'd want one even after reading about them. Nor do I know what their relationship is with Bitcoin or what advantage they offer over it if that's what they are trying to do.

If they can't provide a concise explanation of what they do and why I might want Ripples they are failing pretty early on.
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11-04-2013 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian

If they can't provide a concise explanation of what they do and why I might want Ripples they are failing pretty early on.
This is the thing that baffles me. I totally agree with you but the facts don't seem to bear that theory out. I have no idea if ripple specifically is doing well, but a ton of these companies whose most basic business model is a complete mystery to me do quite well.

Also Gull, I believe you are a c# expert so just in case you missed this, I'd appreciate any advice: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...l#post40838396
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11-04-2013 , 10:09 AM
I'm sure you can poke holes in this theory, but whenever I see a pretty empty forum:
https://ripple.com/forum/

Combined with the fact I don't know wtf a Ripple is it basically means I can quite happily ignore it without worrying I'm missing out on anything important. If it had tens of thousands of posts I'd probably look into it a bit more.

I did see that question you linked to before, not sure I can help I'm afraid without doing some tests myself. Haven't done too much work with CORS I'm afraid. I did do some header stuff with some work I do a while ago, and I remember it being a giant PITA to get it working as I was expecting it to with IIS.

I put a bounty on it which should get you an answer shortly anyway.

BTW is sending user session ID via HTTP really a good idea? (Also I'm not a c# expert by any means! I just hack stuff together and it seems to work OK lol!)
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11-04-2013 , 10:33 AM
I watched about 45 seconds of their video. It looks like they are trying to remove the pain of converting between currencies when sending people money. I'm guessing you deposit like $50 US, send your buddy in Russia the equiv. in Russia's currency and not have to worry about large fees or a headache.

Also the forum doesn't look that empty to me. It has almost 20,000 posts and 10,000 members. A quick glance at the forum topics shows that they are likely not all spam.
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11-04-2013 , 10:41 AM
Isn't that what Bitcoin is doing? I don't get why you'd choose this over Bitcoin.
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