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06-19-2018 , 06:11 PM
I think you could do it in java
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06-19-2018 , 06:13 PM
Kerowo, can you please have your BFFs allow a way to remove a word from the iOS auto-correct dictionary? Somehow mine thinks "thabks" is a word and it's driving me nuts.

Also please tell it that under no circumstances do I ever use the name "Judy" so it can stop autocorrecting "judt" to "Judy" and instead use the infinitely more sensible "just".

And as a bonus - hey how about we stop remembering capitalization resulting from a clearly failed auto-correct? When I type "judt", iOS replaces it with "Judy", I delete it and type "just", iOS instead shows "Just" - because of the remembered "J" in Judy. Does Apple really think I want to now capitalize my word?

$Trillion company, AI will kill us all any day now, etc.
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06-19-2018 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
Yep. This has been discussed 100x
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there were two positions open: software engineer and PM. You interviewed for the software engineer but failed the coding test, so he made you a PM. That would be consistent with your story (and sample code you posted a few weeks ago).
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06-19-2018 , 07:13 PM
Lol, okay. That’s why they only hired me.

But whatever you gotta do to flex that penis. I’ve freely admitted I’m not a good programmer so I don’t understand why you feel the need to take unwarranted shots at me - professional frustration I’d guess. Hope it gets better dude.
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06-19-2018 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks
I keep having these meetings with our compliance people and during the meetings I feel like I understand and agree with the assessments but then afterward I am describing them to someone and they ask a question about something, and it all collapses and then I don't understand again
Hah, totally been there.
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06-19-2018 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
Lol, okay. That’s why they only hired me.

But whatever you gotta do to flex that penis. I’ve freely admitted I’m not a good programmer so I don’t understand why you feel the need to take unwarranted shots at me - professional frustration I’d guess. Hope it gets better dude.
I think some people are just very surprised at your current thoughts/actions.

Tbh, you lost me when you said that your company has raised a ****load of money or whatever, and all of your stories about how good people/the company are constantly contradict each other. It isn't your fault tho, and I don't mean any of that as an insult, you just have nfc whats going on because you are brand new.

I think at this point you have posted about this situation ad nauseam and I agree with Grue that this topic is going in circles and better for a blog.
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06-19-2018 , 08:39 PM
lol you guys wanted updates and I've mostly just been answering questions.

But I'll stop posting if that's what you want - honestly I could probably get in trouble. It's not worth it for chodes like :::grimreaper:::

Last edited by jmakin; 06-19-2018 at 08:40 PM. Reason: forgot a colon, cool username bro
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06-19-2018 , 08:39 PM
grimreaper has the ****ing linux penguin as his avatar wearing a Cal sweatshirt.

When he sees that you are surrounded by phd-level academics who know the insides and out of C then he is not going to be able to relate to you when you spend your time making ****ing scrum presentations.
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06-19-2018 , 09:46 PM
JMakin, I liked your updates. I think it’s more interesting than most things we talk about here.
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06-19-2018 , 10:11 PM
I’m sitting on two offers currently. One hot startup that seems to be going unicorn and a FAANG. How do I play the two against each other to maximize my salary? On the one hand, the startup knows it can’t match the F dollar for dollar so it won’t try, and the F already beats the offer from the startup, so my recruiter doesn’t have much leverage with the comp committee. I applied for a job at another F that I don’t even want to work for just to have more leverage against the first F but then I gotta go through that whole rigamarole.
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06-19-2018 , 10:16 PM
No idea, but what does your resume look like?
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06-19-2018 , 10:23 PM
I'd be somewhat straight up with them. "I'm in the process with FAANG1 and FAANG2 but to be honest I like you guys better. I feel like I should consider all my options, but if you guys can do $x I'd cut the search short."

Insert some aggressive but realistic value for x expecting them to counter.
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06-19-2018 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by iversonian
I’m sitting on two offers currently. One hot startup that seems to be going unicorn and a FAANG. How do I play the two against each other to maximize my salary? On the one hand, the startup knows it can’t match the F dollar for dollar so it won’t try, and the F already beats the offer from the startup, so my recruiter doesn’t have much leverage with the comp committee. I applied for a job at another F that I don’t even want to work for just to have more leverage against the first F but then I gotta go through that whole rigamarole.
I'm assuming the FAANG offer is also substantially better than your current comp? If the FAANG offer is much better than the other offer and your current situation, it doesn't sound like you have all that much leverage. It depends on exactly which company but pay will converge to performance/level at most of the FAANGs even if you come in kind of low, so it shouldn't matter as much as it may seem - they are not in the business of lowballing highly performing employees. Also, a startup at near-unicorn valuation is probably close to a big tech company in terms of how it's run (and may be even more bureaucratic in some ways) and top startups that are comparable to FAANGs, should be able to match FAANG offers at least on paper - if not, you'll have this problem again in your next search, unless you get multiple competitive offers. Where would you rather work? You can PM me as well if you want to discuss in more detail.
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06-19-2018 , 10:51 PM
Grims post was idiotic. Just lol at judging the code of a college kid and deeming him unworthy.
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06-19-2018 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
No idea, but what does your resume look like?
kinda ratty. i've held one proper dev job at a company that i hadn't heard of before i applied there. but things have been moving along in easy mode during this round of interviewing for reasons i'm not quite clear about.

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Originally Posted by blackize5
I'd be somewhat straight up with them. "I'm in the process with FAANG1 and FAANG2 but to be honest I like you guys better. I feel like I should consider all my options, but if you guys can do $x I'd cut the search short."

Insert some aggressive but realistic value for x expecting them to counter.
that's kind of my plan. i only started with F2 so that i could offer F1 a "buy it now" price.

i'm also feeling candybar's advice. from what i read on HN &c, it's apparently not a much of an issue getting big raises once you're in and performing well.
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06-20-2018 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Grims post was idiotic. Just lol at judging the code of a college kid and deeming him unworthy.
Your post is idiotic. I never said he was unworthy based on his code, I said his code wouldn't pass a coding test. I was trying to make sense of how CS graduate applies for a software engineer position but gets hired as a PM. And I find it funny how jmakin thinks I'm mocking him, when all we're trying to do is make sense of his stories, which are all over the place.

As for whether he's worthy or not has nothing to do with his code or him being a college kid. I think PMs in general provide little value. He might be ok now since he's a fresh grad, but how is he going to justify a higher salary 5-10 years from now? It might be too late to become a developer by then. If I ever led a team, I would never pay anyone $80-110k just to schedule meetings on Google Calendar, fill out forms, choose deadlines and collect specs, especially one with limited engineering experience. It hurts me to say this, as I'm good friends with him.
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06-20-2018 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by :::grimReaper:::
If I ever led a team, I would never pay anyone $80-110k just to schedule meetings on Google Calendar, fill out forms, choose deadlines and collect specs
Lol. Good luck with that.
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06-20-2018 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by :::grimReaper:::
Your post is idiotic. I never said he was unworthy based on his code, I said his code wouldn't pass a coding test. I was trying to make sense of how CS graduate applies for a software engineer position but gets hired as a PM. And I find it funny how jmakin thinks I'm mocking him, when all we're trying to do is make sense of his stories, which are all over the place.

As for whether he's worthy or not has nothing to do with his code or him being a college kid. I think PMs in general provide little value. He might be ok now since he's a fresh grad, but how is he going to justify a higher salary 5-10 years from now? It might be too late to become a developer by then. If I ever led a team, I would never pay anyone $80-110k just to schedule meetings on Google Calendar, fill out forms, choose deadlines and collect specs, especially one with limited engineering experience. It hurts me to say this, as I'm good friends with him.
in general I agree with your viewpoints on project managers. however, I think jmakin likely has a lot of talent as a programmer and casting him aside bc of some crap code he posted here is idiotic. esp since the reason he posted it was bc he wanted to improve it.

to me, jmakin is a ton better programmer and has more experience than myself who has been a professional for over 2 years now and I also believe I am one of the more talented devs at my company in terms of technical skills. I do realize that it is way different in cali and all, but your post makes it seem like he should just close up shop and find another career.

regardless, as blackize and larry have said, jmakin needs to decide what his preference is. be a dev or a project manager. obv this thread is gonna skew towards dev in terms of respect but from everything I have read from jmakin, it seems he prefers the management route. that is fine. but if that is thecase then stop doing bug fixes and digging into the code and start to work on management skills.
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06-20-2018 , 01:31 AM
Yeah there's absolutely a way for him to have a successful and rewarding career going either route. Living in both worlds is fine in the short term if you look at it as getting exposure to both sides so he can choose one. But too long straddling the line will likely make things more difficult in the long run.
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06-20-2018 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
grimreaper has the ****ing linux penguin as his avatar wearing a Cal sweatshirt.

When he sees that you are surrounded by phd-level academics who know the insides and out of C then he is not going to be able to relate to you when you spend your time making ****ing scrum presentations.
Lol thanks for pointing that out. Did not really pay attention to his avatar.

A lot of what jmakin is describing sounds like what my team lead (recently promoted to staff engineer) is doing. I feel like if you don't have the technical chops, people are not going to respect you. I have lots of respect for my team lead. He is technically knowledgable, knows everything behind the scenes with our company and is a strong programmer. Does a good job of leading retrospective and planning meetings for our sprints.

Don't know too well how Jmakin's teammates view him but I feel like he might not be getting the support from his manager and his teammates which makes planning so much harder. Especially when he hasn't has much technical experience with the product he is working on it.

But yea I generally agree that riding the line between programmer and technical programmer manager is going to be tough and it's best to pick one.

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Originally Posted by :::grimReaper:::
As for whether he's worthy or not has nothing to do with his code or him being a college kid. I think PMs in general provide little value. He might be ok now since he's a fresh grad, but how is he going to justify a higher salary 5-10 years from now? It might be too late to become a developer by then. If I ever led a team, I would never pay anyone $80-110k just to schedule meetings on Google Calendar, fill out forms, choose deadlines and collect specs, especially one with limited engineering experience. It hurts me to say this, as I'm good friends with him.
Eh I don't know if I agree. Having someone who can take care of that is BIG help. Our team has been dying for a program/project manager so they can take of the minute details of that. Which allows our programmers to take on the task of writing code.
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06-20-2018 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
grimreaper has the ****ing linux penguin as his avatar wearing a Cal sweatshirt.

When he sees that you are surrounded by phd-level academics who know the insides and out of C then he is not going to be able to relate to you when you spend your time making ****ing scrum presentations.
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Originally Posted by iversonian
I’m sitting on two offers currently. One hot startup that seems to be going unicorn and a FAANG. How do I play the two against each other to maximize my salary? On the one hand, the startup knows it can’t match the F dollar for dollar so it won’t try, and the F already beats the offer from the startup, so my recruiter doesn’t have much leverage with the comp committee. I applied for a job at another F that I don’t even want to work for just to have more leverage against the first F but then I gotta go through that whole rigamarole.
Go through and finish the FAANG interview. It's always going to pay off better when you have to FAANG offers playing off each other. Think of it as getting an extra 25k+ a year if you finish the interview and get an offer. That's 100k+ over 4 years!
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06-20-2018 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
As far as the last known tweet, you could just setup an S3 bucket with a text file that contains the last seen ID and fetch that from the lambda.
Thanks for the tip - got this up and running in Go. Holy hell is AWS complicated, I now completely understand why we have devops people at work who as best as I can tell get paid a bunch of money to donk around in the AWS console all day. Never again. (until the next time I have to update an IAM policy or AAAAHHHH I'M TRIGGERED AGAIN JUST TALKING ABOUT IT)

Now for forum poasting!
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06-20-2018 , 02:43 AM
CloudFormation or better yet terraform is where you wanna be for that. Some may use console to hone in on details, especially on things that take a while to rebuild. Terraform is pretty handy though and not that hard a learning curve imo.

ETA: I meant this more in response to a prof dev ops teams, not that some side project lambda needs to be written in infrastructure as code. Although it was surprisingly easy to me, lots of snippets around to crip from.

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06-20-2018 , 03:33 AM
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Eh I don't know if I agree. Having someone who can take care of that is BIG help. Our team has been dying for a program/project manager so they can take of the minute details of that. Which allows our programmers to take on the task of writing code.
Of course it helps. You have to be really bad employee to contribute negative value. But I rather divvy up ~$15k in higher base/bonus among my teammates than hire a glorified secretary for near/at six figures.
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06-20-2018 , 03:55 AM
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Now for forum poasting!
This part blows, I spent like an hour troubleshooting only to finally discover when printing my md5 password hash and seeing a bunch of unprintable characters that Go's md5 hasher doesn't give you a hex string until you encode it.

Now it's 1am and I've blown through enough login failures that I have to wait 15 minutes to try again, guess I'll try tomorrow! I'm gonna feel accomplished when this all works though.
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