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11-06-2017 , 08:44 PM
I see this situation as a positive for you and find it unlikely that he would be able to take your momentum just by straight copying.

If you are gonna take it down, please push a broken repo to github before turning it private and try to take him down.
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11-06-2017 , 08:51 PM
Not obviously broken. Have to start making him deal with crappy dependency issues.

And try to bury it across multiple commits.

Edit: Can also bury timebombs. Things like deleting data if a certain configuration is set on a certain date.
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11-06-2017 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I tried. I'm basically pasting my markdown readme into Word and adding some stuff. I'm afraid after they're going to want me to go from Word to wiki.
You should just write a program to do this - a good way to pass time.
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11-06-2017 , 08:53 PM
Oh, also race condition bugs!
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11-06-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I played live poker recently for the first time in years and with my heart rate monitor on. I enjoyed it, but holy **** I’d forgotten how unhealthy it is and never realized that my heart rate was quite elevated for hours at a time.

Poker is the perfect example to me of a hobby that is great in moderation but way too easy to over do it.
Same here but I couldn't have been more bored. I bought in short-stacked because I couldn't find an ATM. I folded like 10 hands in a row then shoved on a super active player with 87s, after like 6 other people had called his initial raise. He iso-shoved over me like I hoped (or miracle all-fold). But one of the callers had JJ and called too - after tanking. Iso-shover had ATo. I didn't get there but was perfectly happy with quadruple up or go home.

I still like tourneys but cash poker just bores me to tears - which of course makes me play stupid. I need a beginning and end.

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11-06-2017 , 09:18 PM
I'm probably like -15k allin ev at plo for the year.
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11-06-2017 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks
Before answering that question, answer this one: why did you put it on github in the first place?
um the same reason everyone puts code on github.

Spoiler:
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If I checkout commit #1 and hit enter and save and commit and force push and he pulls with no backups he's boned right? that'd be hot. He's running it through localtunnel so there's likely no copies of the repo.
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11-06-2017 , 10:13 PM
Seems good
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11-06-2017 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
daveT, do you have any intent on buying a house in the future?
I live in LA and have no intent of leaving. A $1M home is basically a slum house next to a trailer park, if you are thinking of something more high class than skid row.

Even so, a 30 year loan would require a massive commitment that isn't easy to take at my age. It would also imply that I'm sure I can keep up the required income.

I also knew and worked for a lot of realtors, flippers, and so on in this state. None of them owned homes.

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Where did mining come from?

I'm talking about jobs like soldering on the filaments of lightbulbs, pressing a button on a stamping machine for 8 hours a day, holding a voltmeter to 1000 items a day doing quality control work, etc. etc.
And you know what? A lot of people love that stuff. To you, it's soldering filaments, but to them, it's like being a doctor examining a patient. A lot of these people love having high-end tools, then go home and solder wires on their neighbor's car.

I used to work in this nasty factory drilling holes into bolts. To me, it was a place to get 1/2 gallon of liquid gold shot up my snout and stand in one place for 12 hours per day.

For others, it was awesome to be around all of these 10 ton machines. They loved being able to grab the correct wrench from a collection of 150 on the first try just to twist a screw. They loved going to classes to learn about CNC, tolerances, how everything operated. They would say with large chest "I learn that press over there, they going to pay twenty bucks per hour!"

One coworker was some woman who's job was to spray oil off the bolts with an air gun. She just loved the job for relaxing, chatting with whoever was using the other air gun. She wasn't anything stupid, certainly had the gift of non-stop gab, could probably have done well in sales or some other higher-paying profession, but that was her life. She was doing that for 10 years or so and had no intention of quitting.

To each their own, man, but don't tell others they should find something more fulfilling when they wake up at 4am every morning with a ****ing grin on their face.

Granted, not everyone is happy with that, but many wouldn't ever take a sit-down job and work on a fluorescent suntan. They aren't you; you aren't them. This is redux of the conversation in the other thread.

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Programmers don't have a stupidly high attrition rate compared to the jobs we're talking about. But, by all means, feel free to back your claim up and prove me wrong.
I don't know why you can't google that yourself. These articles pop up all the time, esp regarding women. Sorry, I thought this was common knowledge.

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Before answering that question, answer this one: why did you put it on github in the first place?
So much this!

I thought Grue couldn't monetize because the game he's using is open source, which makes this situation sound strange to me. What's the point of open-sourcing anything, or using the tools, if you aren't willing to give forward.

So, if the code is GPL-like, that means he's supposed to keep every bit of code open source, or as he plans, remove it from the planet. If it's file-based, then close source the stuff he doesn't want to share.

I'm really struggling to understand the desire to hose someone else for literally doing what the license says to do.
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11-06-2017 , 11:03 PM
Dave... I don't even really know how to respond. You have a unique way of viewing the world.
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11-06-2017 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I live in LA and have no intent of leaving. A $1M home is basically a slum house next to a trailer park, if you are thinking of something more high class than skid row.
There are condos - LA is really not that expensive.

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Even so, a 30 year loan would require a massive commitment that isn't easy to take at my age. It would also imply that I'm sure I can keep up the required income.
What makes you particularly worried about this? The home ownership rate in the US is 60+%. Lots of things in life are massive commitments - marriage, kids, or really just living. IIRC, you're just about the perfect age to take on these types of commitments.
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11-06-2017 , 11:59 PM
Who says he wants to own a house? Don't get on your high horse and say he's not happy renting!
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11-07-2017 , 12:00 AM
I bought a 1-bedroom condo a mile from the beach in Redondo Beach for $325k. It can be done. HOA is a ***** though - $380.
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11-07-2017 , 12:36 AM
What year was that? 1999?
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11-07-2017 , 12:42 AM
2014. in 2000 my condo sold for $155k. LA is not as bad as other places and 1-bedrooms do not command a ton down here - lots of families not as many young professionals. My complex has 400 units - so that seems to always keep supply up enough that the prices are more reasonable.

But it's a nice place - vaulted ceilings, a little balcony. It was built in 1970 but managed to avoid stuff like a cheesy brick fireplace.
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11-07-2017 , 01:18 AM
I would buy a condo. I just wouldn't want a house. Mowing lawns isn't my thing. I couldn't fill a 1000 SQFT apartment, much less a home.

Certain nice areas of Los Angeles aren't as sought after as others. Redondo Beach, Encino, El Monte and other areas like that aren't going to be as expensive as downtown, Burbank, Santa Monica, or Pasadena. Los Angeles is huge, and it includes Venice, Bel Aire, and South Central in the city limits, to hopefully illustrate the wide distance in space and finance to those who don't live here.

Kind of hard to say what I mean out of context. Los Angeles is insanely large, and the areas I prefer to live in are more expensive.
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11-07-2017 , 02:43 AM
Anyone work with graphql and have an opinion? We look to be headed that way at work
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11-07-2017 , 10:55 AM
Grue,

lol. Welcome to game development. Making a "game" is a really small part of the business. In the same way engineering is a small part of most tech companies. Good luck.

daveT,

Don't buy. Structures are depreciating assets with high transaction costs. Unless you want to live in that particular structure for 10+ years. You can grind out the math on your own if you feel the urge, but generally for single guys who don't have immediate prospects of marriage/family, it is a terrible idea. (Or if literally no suitable alternatives exist. Starter homes in suburbia for example.)

You're also totally wrong about credit. If your score is 600ish, you're gonna have a nightmare getting a meaningful loan regardless of income. Have you actually been approved for a home loan or is this digression totally speculative?
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11-07-2017 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Grue
so here's a weird/stupid situation: some dude is trying to "steal" my game. In other words he's cloning my site and trying to recruit my players to play on his instead (no idea why really other than he's a narcissist? I don't allow hate speech maybe he wants that? w/e). He's not writing any code really.

I mean its open source on github but uh I don't really want to write code that someone's going to compete with my game and push it there publicly right? I mean everyone in this situation would just stop pushing to github correct?
Um, welcome to FOSS, that’s not a bug it’s a feature...
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11-07-2017 , 12:14 PM
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I still like tourneys but cash poker just bores me to tears - which of course makes me play stupid. I need a beginning and end.
Ha ha, I'm the exact opposite. I like cash poker but tourneys bore me to tears. Admittedly I've never played a super deep tourney, but in my experience for the opening levels you play 2 street poker, and then once stacks reach 15BB its push-fold 1-street poker. Yawn, so boring.

Contrast that with my local 1/3 cash game. It's uncapped, most people buy in for 300-500 and then later in the night the old drunk rich guys and the crazy aggro drug dealers start playing for 5k buyins. It becomes a total clown-fiesta with sick swings, but so much fun to play when you run good.

Too bad the rake is 5% uncapped though
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11-07-2017 , 12:18 PM
Yeah, give me low limit live over tournaments any day. You can play way more hands. I'm still amazed at how bad people are at bet sizing.

Uncapped rake is ridiculous. Thats crazy.
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11-07-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
What makes you particularly worried about this? The home ownership rate in the US is 60+%. Lots of things in life are massive commitments - marriage, kids, or really just living. IIRC, you're just about the perfect age to take on these types of commitments.
This is a serious question... What happens when disaster strikes? I had a major situation happen and the advice was borrow money from friends, family, or the bank. I was flabbergasted, but it was real advice.

This month, my computer, guitar, and phone all broke. On top of that, I lost 2 contracts, have one in dispute, and a few other things happened I won't discuss. This is a tame month relative to all the other things that happened over the past 12 months... Two hospital visits was sort of the least-bad situations (more red marks on my credit score).

I always have been highly unstable, and I really don't see how that would change any time soon. I have plans, but as many people have said, my life is like an upside down milk jug. I would have to see some possibility that everything is super stable. Some risks are just plain stupid to take on, and buying a house falls into that bucket, at least for now. I don't want to be another mortgage and refi statistic.

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11-07-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
Ha ha, I'm the exact opposite. I like cash poker but tourneys bore me to tears. Admittedly I've never played a super deep tourney, but in my experience for the opening levels you play 2 street poker, and then once stacks reach 15BB its push-fold 1-street poker. Yawn, so boring.

Contrast that with my local 1/3 cash game. It's uncapped, most people buy in for 300-500 and then later in the night the old drunk rich guys and the crazy aggro drug dealers start playing for 5k buyins. It becomes a total clown-fiesta with sick swings, but so much fun to play when you run good.

Too bad the rake is 5% uncapped though
Yeah that might be more fun.

Most fun I ever had cash was me and 2 buddies (Irieguy, lacky) were struggling to keep a 2/5 game from breaking at Orleans - when 5 aggro kids who were in town for the WSOP sat down. First 3 hands had multiple all ins as they had clearly agreed to just gambool. We figured ok - well they shot their wad. And each time another $500 would come out of their wallets like nothing. Woot. All praise to the magic wallet.

They were apologizing to us as they figured we were nitty old (> 30) guys annoyed by the whole thing. We were like - no problem. The game went on from 10pm til the wee hours - pretty psycho the whole time. At one point we had like $15k on the table and a waiting list a mile long.

My biggest hand I called a 5 or 6-bet shove with KQs. Villain had K9o of course.

Me and lacky won some. Irieguy absolutely crushed. At one point when he had wiped out every kid at least once except one - he looked at the last kid and said "you're next". LOL. They finally got fed up and left about dawn. Game immediately broke of course and everyone on the waiting list groaned and went home.

Anyway I've never had close to that much fun at any other cash game and usually it's just dead. Tourneys when you get close to the money and in the money are the most fun on average imo.

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11-07-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Yeah, give me low limit live over tournaments any day. You can play way more hands. I'm still amazed at how bad people are at bet sizing.

Uncapped rake is ridiculous. Thats crazy.
To be fair, I think they have a "cap" of $50, but even that makes the game basically unbeatable. I once estimated that they were removing 500 (170ish bb) from the table every hour. It's an unlicensed grey-legal-area game however and the clientelle is dumb as rocks, so they get away with it.

I just go there to get drunk and gambool, not expecting a +EV proposition.

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11-07-2017 , 01:56 PM
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I just go there to get drunk and gambool, not expecting a +EV proposition.
Sounds +lifeEV at the worst
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