I generally side with the stance that your time spent thinking/planning/reading code >>>>> typing code so usually vim isn't going to be worth it purely from a time/productivity perspective.

Now that said, that's not the reason to use vim imo. I love vim so much just because it's so much more enjoyable, both physically and the mental satisfaction from being able to cast your thoughts into actions with orders of magnitude less effort.

ETA: I mostly do scientific/numeric computing with Python and MATLAB, and vim is perfect for this imo. I don't really need code completion or fancier IDE things (although with all the vim plugins out there, other people do get almost all these things in vim), I just need to edit my code and analyze/think about results. When I do need to do Java or C# or something more software dev-y (e.g. I do some game programming for fun), the IDEs are nice. The vim plugins are generally adequate, but not great, they're incomplete and buggy. I haven't seen any IDE do it super well, but some vim is better than no vim still imo. Also that said, I've gotten pretty far quite enjoyably in my current C++ game with pure vim/tmux.

this nails it

i think emacs is supposed to be better

meh i don't buy into it being faster, i can get a lot done with just notepad. but i seem to be part of a split group of people that don't mind touching their mouse when programming.

i ignored the command line for a long time and just recently am kicking myself because it makes quick and dirty projects so much faster than opening up some sluggish IDE and setting up a project to do some 40 liner thing.

Like what? Of course vim can do global search/replace or on a range.

Personally, I don't care much for features, I care about leveraging the most amount text manipulation in the least amount of key strokes, which also are ergonomic.

It probably takes a week to get down all of the major commands, the rest slowly trickle in.

Trying to start a fight or something lol?

And how long have you been using vim for...?

Yea that is exactly what one of my friends always says. I completely understand and agree that the speed of writing code is rarely, if ever, a bottleneck, I do think the point about taking less effort to do some things is real, and I would enjoy it.

Also, being able to ssh into a random box and use vim there is always a very helpful thing to be able to do in times of dire need, and requires a high level of vim confidence.

My first team lead was a hardcore emacs user and she both loved it and also did not suggest others learn it.

I swear to God if an editor war starts in here I will not be responsible for my actions.

i know *nothing* about text editors and just heard emacs was better from my proff and several people in my class.

no need to start a war.

my preferred editor is notepad++. shows what i know about anything.

this software book I'm reading suggests you learn one text editor and ignore everything else.

What war? Obviously vim is the best

I see now you meant Notepad++ not regular Notepad, but I made it already.

I use nano

*Ducks*

Who has time for vim, I use vi.

i'm a vimmer who stays up at night wondering if he picked the wrong religion.

anyone who likes a thing but doesn't advocate that others use it is a weasel.

quack

only time I use vim is when I absolutely have to line numbers and yeah I'd guess if I spend 10 seconds on google I'd find that for nano as well.

Am I wrong in thinking sublime is basically the same as atom? I can use them essentially interchangeably but prefer atom, and I also basically never have lag/memory issues in atom.

I use visual studio for its testing environment because it seems to blow everything else away.

I am a huge fan of Visual Studio Code (which is a different thing than Visual Studio).

One thing I love about Linux is the highlight / middle click alternative copy/paste buffer. Rarely see this mentioned but it's a huge productivity booster for me.

I've reviewed the evidence and you're all wrong. May god have mercy upon your souls.

I feel this way too but it depends on the language you're working in, ime. For JavaScript/TypeScript it's really, really good I think, but C++ is pretty meh (there might be a way to get it set up correctly with a large project to use your include paths and do symbol recognition properly, but it's a crapton of work I think). Go is like 90% good, 10% symbol recognition not working when it should/taking you to xxx_plan9.go in the standard library when plan9 is never, ever, ever the implementation you wanted to look at.

Watch emacs tutorials on Youtube and you will be convinced otherwise. All you hear is "control x control...".

I was interested in emacs evil mode/spacemacs for a while (essentially just emacs with vim bindings and spacemacs is just a nicely packaged version of that), but I didn't give it much effort. Before I switched my home computer to Linux, I was interested more in the idea of bundling accessories with the editor. Running interpreters/compiling/running console programs are the big things, but also getting it to show Latex pdf output seemed super cool too. Ultimately, it was just seeming to be a crap ton of work without much benefit (I had discovered that neovim has a terminal which I use in Windows, and switching to Linux gave me better tmux access at home). And I don't have to write much Latex these days unfortunately.

I think vim clearly has better bindings and editing flow. Emacs wins in extensions and additional functionality. This makes sense because that's the exact difference in design decisions.

Emacs is a great operating system, lacking only a decent editor.

Other way round. Sublime was out first.

I didn't say it wasnt