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06-08-2015 , 02:33 PM
I don't think employee #65 is going to make you a bundle in options. I think low 6 figures is the very best you could hope for and likely it would be mid-high 5 figures.

Edit: Obviously just a wild ass guess, with no specific knowledge of Tinder itself.
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06-08-2015 , 02:35 PM
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06-08-2015 , 02:35 PM
Should I ask iosys for advice on this?
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06-08-2015 , 02:46 PM
Can't hurt.

The reality is though that there's generally a pretty steep drop off in the value of options/equity as more employees are added. My 60 seconds of googling couldn't find what Tinder's last funding round was, but it sounds like their valuation is already near the billion dollar mark. That's not a lot of room for you to make a lot of money off of options granted now.
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06-08-2015 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Can't hurt.
You must not have visited politics alpha lately.
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06-08-2015 , 03:13 PM
I haven't.

I take it, the ask iosys was facetious?
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06-08-2015 , 03:31 PM
06-08-2015 , 03:33 PM
http://data.jobsintech.io/companies/tinder-inc/

iOS Engineer 105k
Machine Learning Engineer 140k
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06-08-2015 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Well the hot Tinder recruiter finally got back to me.

If I make it to the offer stage - I think there's a reasonable chance they'll come in with something less than I am making now, but obviously I'm going to hope to make it up in equity. It seems odd to me that Tinder only has 60 employees, as popular as the app is. I wonder if it's because there's no precedent for a dating app turning into something bigger. Like say Uber wants to be much more than a ridehsare. Snapchat wants to be much more than a teen app, etc.

Does anyone here have any thoughts on Tinder's prospects? I don't have kids so I can definitely take on plenty of risk. But if the workplace environment seems kinda dotcom/kool-aid/mysoginist/etc. then I would only go there if I think that being the 65th employee at Tinder has a chance to make a bundle on options.

I'm going to post in BFI too.
60 employees seems like quite the overkill for Tinder. What's App had 4 or 5 iirc.
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06-08-2015 , 03:39 PM
Tinder doesn't even have any match making, right? It's just a buffet of photos you peruse like cuts of meat at a deli?
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06-08-2015 , 03:41 PM
I have a friend at Twitter who is connected to some people there online. Sent him an email and will report back if he knows anything.
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06-08-2015 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Oh good lord. I forgot that's who iosys was.
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06-08-2015 , 03:44 PM
Tinder is an unusual case since it's majority-owned and controlled by IAC, which also owns many of Tinder's competitors. I think the insiders may have already cashed out for the most part and there may not be any exit strategy besides hoping that IAC buys out all remaining shares. And IAC may not have incentives to buy out the infinitesimal equity stakes of rank&file employees because they are unlikely to be combined to challenge their control through a lawsuit. This is one of those cases where the company not already being public dramatically affects the value of some shares - if Tinder was public, you could sell the equity to someone who could consolidate them to make a court challenge economically worthwhile.

If I were negotiating, I'd ask what their exit strategy is, at least to see what it is that they are telling their employees. But it's hard to assign real value given their current corporate structure - it's more like a token of good will than something with tangible economic value.
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06-08-2015 , 03:46 PM
They added green cards to that salary site. Nice.
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06-08-2015 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Oh good lord. I forgot that's who iosys was.
Well to be fair, he would probably be a good source for the zeitgiest on Tinder, which is what I was looking for.

But I got more than that with candybar - so that's cool.
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06-08-2015 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
Tinder is an unusual case since it's majority-owned and controlled by IAC, which also owns many of Tinder's competitors. I think the insiders may have already cashed out for the most part and there may not be any exit strategy besides hoping that IAC buys out all remaining shares. And IAC may not have incentives to buy out the infinitesimal equity stakes of rank&file employees because they are unlikely to be combined to challenge their control through a lawsuit. This is one of those cases where the company not already being public dramatically affects the value of some shares - if Tinder was public, you could sell the equity to someone who could consolidate them to make a court challenge economically worthwhile.

If I were negotiating, I'd ask what their exit strategy is, at least to see what it is that they are telling their employees. But it's hard to assign real value given their current corporate structure - it's more like a token of good will than something with tangible economic value.
Yeah sounds like not to expect too much out of equity. I would only jump if the salary matches or beats, it seems like a good fit and I'd be working on something cool.

I feel like we've done the heavy lifting on node/angular where I am at now and I see a lot of cat-herding in my future here. (Un)fortunately I also have some bonuses lined up that are going to make it really hard to jump anywhere that pays less than Netfl1x.
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06-08-2015 , 05:25 PM
*FetNlix
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06-08-2015 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
I have a friend at Twitter who is connected to some people there online. Sent him an email and will report back if he knows anything.
Pretty coolio. 2p2 network in full swing

If I ever decide to get an actual programming job again and can talk myself into moving I'll just post ITT :P
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06-08-2015 , 08:42 PM
He said he is not sure of any of their exit plans or health of the company.

Just that their recent monitization strategy is pretty cool and a lot of people seem to be watching to see how it goes.
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06-09-2015 , 12:20 AM
Thanks for that update.

Well I talked to the cute recruiter - I feel like we had some real chemistry. She was coy about it, but I think we both know there's something brewing - which has nothing to do with the bonus she gets if I get hired.

I'm supposed to have a technical phone interview with the CTO Wed morning. We'll see how that goes. I'm boning up on prototypical inheritance patterns this time. I found this blog post, and then if you read the comments the guy is like "Oh I don't like prototype pattern anymore".

This comment kind of cracked me up:

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Aadit M Shah Mod James Emanon • 4 months ago

There's no way to have classical inheritance in JavaScript because JavaScript is a prototypal object-oriented programming language. ECMAScript 6 Harmony will introduce classes to JavaScript. However, they will be just syntactic sugar for prototypal code.

For example, this is a class in ES6 Harmony:

Code:
class Human {
    constructor(name, sex) {
        this.name = name;
        this.sex = sex;
    }

    describe() {
        switch (this.sex) {
        case "M": var human = "man";
        case "F": var human = "woman";
        default:  var human = "human";
        }


        alert(this.name + " is a " + human + ".");
    }
}

class Man extends Human {
    constructor(name) {
        Human.call(this, name, "M");
    }
}

class Woman extends Human {
    constructor(name) {
        Human.call(this, name, "F");
    }
}

var john = new Man("John");
john.describe();

var jane = new Woman("Jane");
jane.describe();
Here's the same code written using the constructor pattern:


Code:
function Human(name, sex) {
    this.name = name;
    this.sex  = sex;
}

Human.prototype.describe = function () {
    switch (this.sex) {
    case "M": var human = "man";
    case "F": var human = "woman";
    default:  var human = "human";
    }

    alert(this.name + " is a " + human + ".");
};

Man.prototype = Object.create(Human.prototype);
Man.prototype.constructor = Man;

function Man(name) {
    Human.call(this, name, "M");
}

Woman.prototype = Object.create(Woman.prototype);
Woman.prototype.constructor = Woman;

function Woman(name) {
    Human.call(this, name, "F");
}

var john = new Man("John");
john.describe();

var jane = new Woman("Jane");
jane.describe();
Finally, the same code written using the prototypal pattern:

Code:
var human = {
    constructor: function (name, sex) {
        this.name = name;
        this.sex  = sex;
    },
    describe: function () {
        switch (this.sex) {
        case "M": var human = "man";
        case "F": var human = "woman";
        default:  var human = "human";
        }


        alert(this.name + " is a " + human + ".");
    }
};

var man = Object.create(human);

man.constructor = function (name) {
    human.constructor.call(this, name, "M");
};

var woman = Object.create(human);

woman.constructor = function (name) {
    human.constructor.call(this, name, "F");
};

var john = Object.create(man);
john.constructor("John");
john.describe();

var jane = Object.create(woman);
jane.constructor("Jane");
jane.describe();
Hope that helps.
It is just because I came from a Java background or does the first example seem about 10x more intuitive?

Also does anyone know what he means by "classes will just be syntactic sugar"? Is there something fundamental under the covers that will make ECMA 6 classes not behave like classical inheritance?
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06-09-2015 , 01:19 AM
I like the first one too and he probably wanted to call you sugar and get away with it.

Updated to OS X 10.11 and they changed the spin wheel to be more vibrant.
Viewing all apps is lightning fast and smooth as silk.
Safari is not responding with all my tabs but everything else seems like performance update.

Apple's beta is always like christmas morning
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06-09-2015 , 01:29 AM
Apples interaction with corporate wifi seems to get worse and worse with each release. Luckily I didn't upgrade to Yosemite or I wouldn't be able to use this external network card - which saves my ass in all of our conference rooms where ****ty PCs get wifi fine, but brand new Mac Pros fail miserably.



Apparently it absolutely does not work with Yosemite - nor does any other external wifi adapter. I feel like Mac OS 12 will just stop supporting WPA2 Enterprise all together.
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06-09-2015 , 01:37 AM
We've got an Apple router and the couple of Windows users basically can't connect even though they're half the distance from the source
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06-09-2015 , 01:58 AM
Yah I've read the wifi problems but never experienced it. Enterprise place that I worked at had a non secure wifi spot that I would connect to with personal laptop and used the ****ty windows laptop on the enterprise network for lync and emails.

Sort of related, it would be really nice if apple, microsoft and google all got together and pushed wifi-direct to a stable state on all devices. Microsoft made a big claim that they were going to have it stable on every new laptop that shipped with Windows 8, yet that never happened.

Only Google has made it semi stable on android and it still needed to be ironed out last time I used it when developing on android.
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06-09-2015 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by iosys
I like the first one too and he probably wanted to call you sugar and get away with it.

Updated to OS X 10.11 and they changed the spin wheel to be more vibrant.
Viewing all apps is lightning fast and smooth as silk.
Safari is not responding with all my tabs but everything else seems like performance update.

Apple's beta is always like christmas morning
That's great to hear. I always thought they were a performance downgrade. I noticed my macbook pro booting up slower when I upgraded to Yosemite. Shame on me for shutting it down everyday instead of sleeping eh?
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