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View Poll Results: Do you develop open source or closed source software?

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06-06-2014 , 09:59 PM

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daveT

S.A.G.E. Master

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 23,955

Yeah, but that goes with beginning and ending at pot-odds.

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06-07-2014 , 02:14 AM

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adios

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 22,530

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Originally Posted by daveT

There's a few things to consider about 10+ years ago. The "best" book on the market was ToP, and it was the incumbent for a good decade. There was no good NL book out at the time. Hand analysis pretty much started and ended at pot odds. The math was there, but not nearly as intensive as it was once mathematicians and engineers started studying and better books came out on the market. The poker community was *really* small. Siting with a 2+2'er in a B&M was fairly unusual, and we all had a distinct style, and threads from back then would often mention that the person was playing a 2+2'er.

The community as a whole was much more "open source," if you will. The point of this and other forums was to offer valuable help to other players, and no one was really concerned about giving up edge since the winning pool was few and fish aplenty. Game-changing concepts were given away for free. Example would be ICM, 3-betting, range -vs- range, etc.

What does this have to do with Stove? The need was there, but certainly not to the level it was later on. No one would have paid for it and the few that would have paid were probably in the dozens. The people smart enough to really use it would have built their own version.

The guy who wrote Poker Stove, Andrew Prock, used to post on this site fairly often. He had a decent record in poker tournaments including several WSOP final table appearances. Sklansky and Prock had some pretty ugly spats on this site. Prock is also a highly educated software geek. Don't know what he does now.

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06-10-2014 , 08:14 PM

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Jever

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Originally Posted by adios

Thanks for the input.
Would love to get in touch with this guy. He seems weird, but cool.

And hating Sklansky after a while seems definetely - understandable.

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06-10-2014 , 08:58 PM

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_dave_

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

I should imagine it's possible through: https://github.com/andrewprock/pokerstove

or you could PM his 2p2 account: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/98/ (member #98, wow)

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06-11-2014 , 12:28 AM

#55

adios

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Originally Posted by Jever

Thanks for the input.
Would love to get in touch with this guy. He seems weird, but cool.

And hating Sklansky after a while seems definetely - understandable.

Feeling was mutual, Sklansky didn't like him either. Prock has a great poker insight in my view. Yeah but like _dave_ said.

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10-06-2014 , 06:13 PM

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Andrew Prock

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 399

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Originally Posted by _dave_

I should imagine it's possible through: https://github.com/andrewprock/pokerstove

or you could PM his 2p2 account: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/98/ (member #98, wow)

I used to be member #100, but I guess some people were disappeared.

I pretty much do what I've always done: code, poker, teach. The specific mix currently leans more heavily towards coding, but I hope to do a little more poker in the coming year.

- Andrew

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10-07-2014 , 09:19 PM

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TomCollins

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Originally Posted by maxtower

It seems like marketing for a lot of guys. If you are known as the expert on an open source library, some times companies will be more than happy to pay up for this expertise.

Another part of it too is when it actually helps you become more productive to open-source something. Say I am mostly focused on building something very custom for clients. Technically I could open-source all this work but no one cares because it's all super specific to one use case and provides no value to the community. But getting there, I have some tools I need that could be shared across projects. This work is not really what anyone is after, it just helps me do my job faster. So I open source this code, and if I can get some other contributors, I get benefits without having to do anything. And if I don't, then I'm no worse off.

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