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Shopping for an external hard drive. Shopping for an external hard drive.

10-20-2018 , 05:46 PM
I'm planning to buy an external hard drive. The main purpose will be for storing music and small video files.

It seems there are a lot of options, ranging from RAID, to some that have cloud connection option with Dropbox, and then simple external drives that just sit on the table.

An example products:

Seagate drive w/ 5TB of storage:

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Porta...d%2Bdrive&th=1

LaCie 4TB "rugged"

https://www.amazon.com/External-LAC9...nal+hard+drive

LaCie 4TB Raid:

https://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Rugged-...nal+hard+drive

Users seem to be complaining that the item fails and that it's super fragile. I would want to have a drive that I can toss in my computer bag and not worry about.

The main things I'm looking for are:

- Size: I don't think 1 TB will be enough.

- Easy access. While I have unlimited internet access on my phone, it's not 100% dependable.

- Durability: sort of self-explanatory. I don't want to lose my work if I don't have to.

- Apple compatible. I feel like this probably won't be an issue, but I'm mentioning this just in case. I have a 2015 MacBook Air, so none of that new connector stuff.

- Portable. I have to be relatively mobile.

Price range is idk... $400 max?
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10-20-2018 , 08:12 PM
I have the 1TB version of this ADATA that is still going strong. The 4TB is selling on Amazon for $139.99.

Of course, like most external drives, I don't treat it as being infallible.
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10-20-2018 , 10:17 PM
That's definitely a bad day, lol.

Reading Amazon reviews on these things is so frustrating. Seems that one is more liked than the LaCie. Also, it seems that the RAID version needs an external power source, which I think defeats the purpose.
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10-21-2018 , 10:07 AM
Can't you just use an SSD? I think it ticks all your boxes and am not totally au fait with US pricing but it looks as though you can get a 2TB Crucial MX200 for $350. No moving parts to worry about. Totally easy to use "internal" SSDs as an external drive. The cable you need will cost more like $5 rather than the $50 left in your budget. You could buy a fancy padded case for it for a bit more peace of mind.

On durability, though, whatever you buy, even if you spend $2k - that's not a substitute for having three copies of your data obeying the 3/2/1 rule.
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10-21-2018 , 03:14 PM
All hard drives are **** and unreliable. Just remember to use backups, because external hard drives fail more often than internal drives. I've had 2 seagate drives and 2 western digital drives fail in the last few years. I use them to store backups, so lots of data gets written to it (that's probably why the failed). if you are doing light use any Hitachi/WD/Seagate drive will be fine.

The first drive you linked seems totally fine. Reviews are a waste of time for hard drives, they all suck.
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10-23-2018 , 01:17 AM
You all gave me some food for thought. I was looking at some the RAID cases, like this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GB55G1C...ding=UTF8&th=1

And maybe just throw two drives in their and call it a day. Get more drives when I need them.
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10-24-2018 , 07:21 PM
Why don't you just PM furake?
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10-25-2018 , 01:45 AM
Why would I do that? In any case, I never heard of that poster.
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10-26-2018 , 04:58 AM
From my own experience, I can recommend transcend hard drives. Of course that whole "military grade protection" sounds unbelievable to me, but they are reliable ones. Have 3 of them, each is 1TB in size. All of them are still working properly.
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10-26-2018 , 06:50 AM
Well, that's nice, and I have a bunch of hard drives including for example two 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3s and a 120Gb Corsair Force 3, all from 2011, and they're all working properly too. As are the younger (various ages) 250gb / 500Gb EVO 850s and the 1TB MX500.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

daveT - why are you set on a RAID configuration and what level is the one you're after?
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10-26-2018 , 11:38 AM
I don't know a whole lot about RAID, but I'm going for level 1 so that I can have full write across multiple hard drives.

I'm pondering RAID because a single piece of music can take a month to do, and it's pretty much standard to use RAID when doing this sort of stuff. Yes, I know it's a "I heard this somewhere" thing, but it's a lot of somewhere.
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10-26-2018 , 02:13 PM
There are two kind of drives, those that failed and those that are about to fail.

With that said you should have a few back ups in a few different type of places. Cloud storage is also a good one to add to the list, like the ones Amazon AWS is offering.
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10-27-2018 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I don't know a whole lot about RAID, but I'm going for level 1 so that I can have full write across multiple hard drives.

I'm pondering RAID because a single piece of music can take a month to do, and it's pretty much standard to use RAID when doing this sort of stuff. Yes, I know it's a "I heard this somewhere" thing, but it's a lot of somewhere.
Sounds as though you've probably done your reading, but just in case, it might be worth pointing out that RAID 1 is often a disappointment to people. First reason: if you use 2 x 2Tb drives in RAID 1 you're only going to be able to store 1 x 2Tb of data (albeit mirrored). Second, RAID 1 isn't really the best sort of backup, since if you corrupt or delete a file on one drive that error is automatically replicated on the other, so you lose both copies.
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10-28-2018 , 11:12 AM
Oh... corrupted files. Is there any way to just copy to both disks automatically, or is this just something that has to he done the hard way?
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10-29-2018 , 02:22 AM
So you may actually have 2 (or more) problems to solve here. To do it completely right probably costs more than $400, but gets you coverage for more areas, but you can also pick and choose problems to solve as long as your conscious of the compromises you're making and risks you're taking.

RAID 1 will copy the same bits to both drives, but if the file system gets corrupted or the file gets corrupted other than by the physical drive itself, that corruption will be on both drives. RAID won't help with Crypto locker or accidental file deletion either. A RAID capable enclosure will generally require external power as well.

RAID is probably common in music production for both speed and uptime. SSDs have/can change the game on the speed side while being more reliable than a standalone HDD as well. A single SSD is going to be faster than any sort of HDD based RAID array that's reasonably portable with a laptop (I'd consider even the 4 bay USB3.0 enclosures pushing the portability boundary). RAID 1 isn't any faster than a single drive (the same data gets written to both drives). RAID 0 is too risky for data you care about (any drive in the array failing loses 100% of the array's data). A good backup routine mitigates the amount of work you lose in the event of drive failure.


For >1TB music and video file storage for editing (compressed file playback is more or less trivial) you can put together a 2TB SSD in a USB 3.0 UASP enclosure.
Micron 2TB Drive for $285

Example enclosure, key specs are 2.5" drive, USB 3.0 and UASP

Pros: Fast, no moving parts, bus powered (no additional power supply), smaller size than a 3.5" drive

Cons: Price, max capacity

If the cost is too high, you can get bus powered 2.5" USB HDDs up to at least 4TB these days.
WD 4TB for $100

Then you need a backup device. For this I'd suggest 1 or more 3.5" high capacity USB 3.0 HDDs (alternating between 2 decreases the risk of a backup device failing when you need to restore the data). You can use a backup program to keep a number of full(everything on the drive) and differential (just what's changed since last backup) backups to restore from in the event of accidental deletion or wanting an earlier version of a file.
3.5" drives require external power, but you should only need the backup drive 1x day or 1x week depending on your work cycles and/or dataloss paranoia.
ex: WD 8TB USB 3 for $160

If you're going with the alternating pair of backup drives, it's better to keep one of the drives at a different location if possible and then swap out the offsite drive after you take a fresh backup.

The higher price, higher functionality version of this would be to get a NAS device. Here's where RAID can come back into play depending on your total storage and archival needs. I've linked a 2 bay, you'd need to add 2x4TB or 2x8TB 3.5" HDDs from the vendor approved list to the NAS and configure for RAID1 (mirroring). This would net you 4TB usable from 2x4TB drives or 8TB usable from 2x8TB drives. Doubles your cost per TB, but saves your backups in the event of a single disk failure.

Larger NAS units are available and scale up in price based on drive bay capacity and NAS power/feature set. If you step up to a larger NAS, you can use single or double parity RAID configs (RAID 5 and RAID 6 and proprietary variants). RAID 5 gets you N-1 drives worth of capacity from N drives and can rebuild itself when a single failed drive is replaced. RAID 6 gets you N-2 capacity from N drives and can withstand concurrent failure of 2 drives.

Synology 2 Bay $170

Supported drives list filtered to NAS class drives (skipping enterprise as overkill for a 2 bay setup and desktop as not enough cheaper than NAS class drives generally.


TLDR: Trusting any single drive (or even enclosure) is risky. Using a separate working drive and cold or network backup solution can help protect your data.
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10-29-2018 , 10:37 PM
Woah. Thank you, I'm going to read all of that tonight.
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11-01-2018 , 02:57 AM
Okay, you all put my knowledge in it's place about RAID, so I'm thinking I'll buy the LaCie and the larger desktop drive. I was hoping to not deal with the manual movement of files, but it's really no big deal.

Thanks.
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11-01-2018 , 08:11 PM
Assuming you're using the desktop drive just for backups, you should be able to set it up to be automatic or close to it with Time Machine
https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT201250

I'd suggest setting it up to back up your documents and pics from the internal drive on your Mac too for good measure.
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11-11-2018 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Okay, you all put my knowledge in it's place about RAID, so I'm thinking I'll buy the LaCie and the larger desktop drive. I was hoping to not deal with the manual movement of files, but it's really no big deal.

Thanks.
It's up to you .
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