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04-07-2016 , 03:23 PM
Are you applying to junior level positions? Full stack? What sort of thing have you been focused on? JavaScript only?
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04-07-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinpoker
The latest one I did was build a particle system like rain/snow. https://particle-system-asymmetrik.herokuapp.com/
This is pretty nice. You can probably include this in your portfolio. Btw, maybe they specified it wrong when they gave you the problem but the buttons don't work in an intuitive way. Snow and Rain stay pressed, which is fine but not if you click anywhere or any other button which seems wrong. Increase Wind and Decrease Wind buttons stay pressed which seems wrong. Pause staying pressed seems okay but then reclicking it should resume it instead of having a separate button. Resume button staying pressed is probably just wrong.
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04-07-2016 , 03:39 PM
Wow great catch! That absolutely should be fixed.

I have been applying to anything that says junior or doesn't say senior. 60% front end, 35% full stack, 5% back end. Everything that has javascript/web development in the requirements.
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04-07-2016 , 03:41 PM
Then again I guess it makes sense - for our last search that just completed, we got over 200 resumes, phone-screened maybe like 20 something, on-sited like 8, made two offers and one accepted.
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04-07-2016 , 03:45 PM
lol im not close to building something like that

so ya, just move to cleveland and should be able to find a job

Last edited by Victor; 04-07-2016 at 03:52 PM.
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04-07-2016 , 03:47 PM
penguinpoker, you're in the bay area correct?
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04-07-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinpoker
Wow great catch! That absolutely should be fixed.

I have been applying to anything that says junior or doesn't say senior. 60% front end, 35% full stack, 5% back end. Everything that has javascript/web development in the requirements.
Also, I'd add some line-breaks and spaces in your code - it feels very cramped. I don't think you're consistent about this either - in some cases you're doing a<b and in others you're doing a < b for example. In most coding conventions, there should be a space before and after any operator, after every comma, between () and {; and spaces between logical sections (functions, major blocks, anything that needs comment lines, etc). I wouldn't care about this but some people might.
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04-07-2016 , 04:12 PM
Great suggestions on the buttons, fixed the constantly pressed thing and combined the pause and resume into a single button. I definitely need to make me code more consistent. Spacing is interesting, I always like it better with more spacing but a lot code I have read doesn't incorporate much spacing so I have been going that route. However I agree that spacing looks better so I will switch back to that.

I am in the bay area.
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04-07-2016 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinpoker
... a particle system like rain/snow. https://particle-system-asymmetrik.herokuapp.com/
When I hit pause then resume the button says "pausee."
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04-07-2016 , 04:41 PM


Fixed
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04-07-2016 , 04:46 PM
penguinpoker: What is the average salary for the type of positions you're applying for?
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04-07-2016 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
One, how do employers know your age? It's illegal to ask fwiw.
Easy. What year did you graduate high school? I actually had an employer ask me this. But I somehow got the job. But maybe it was because they knew the effed up so they had to offer me a job?

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Hack Reactor. They claim 99% within 3 months. With multiple people having no on-sites at the halfway point I am starting to doubt their numbers. Maybe they start reaching out to employers on our behalf though as it becomes likely we miss the deadline.
Wow that is crazy. I thought hack reactor always place graduates pretty well. Have you tried looking into indeed prime or hired.com? With those two sites, if you complete the programming challenges, they can get you in front of employers relatively quick.
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04-07-2016 , 05:54 PM
Average salary I would say maybe 90k? They usually give salaries in range, ie 80-100k. If the lower part of that salary range is over 100k I don't bother, if the higher end is under 60k I don't bother.

Yeah I don't know what is going on. Maybe they expanded too fast and their quality is slipping but I am not really sure. I am on hired, will look into indeed prime.
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04-07-2016 , 06:09 PM
Have you looked at triplebyte at all? They're supposed to be good at matching employers with potential employees too, I think
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04-08-2016 , 12:45 AM
Don't not apply because they advertise over $100k, AA's "average" grad is $105k and I thought HR was even higher. Many in my cohort had offers a good deal higher than that.
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04-08-2016 , 10:57 AM
Those starting salaries are mind-boggling. I live in a similarly expensive part of North America, and I'd be thrilled to take a junior position for 1/3 the pay. That would be very inspiring if you manage to land one of those jobs. GL!
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04-08-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones
Don't not apply because they advertise over $100k, AA's "average" grad is $105k and I thought HR was even higher. Many in my cohort had offers a good deal higher than that.
I'd agree with this - standard out-of-school packages at top companies are around 130K-150K range these days in total compensation so there's no need to reflexively not apply because the lower range is above 100K, since it takes so little effort to apply. A lot of companies are willing to pay above that for inexperienced devs as long as they have strong potential. He's probably right that any job posting with a stated lower bound above 100K is probably not an entry-level position but again, not all jobs are posted with the intention of picking someone with the exactly the right level of seniority.

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Those starting salaries are mind-boggling. I live in a similarly expensive part of North America, and I'd be thrilled to take a junior position for 1/3 the pay. That would be very inspiring if you manage to land one of those jobs. GL!
Canada may be free of Donald Trump but it's just not the land of well-paying programming jobs. But like what Victor was talking about earlier, it's also much more competitive in SV so it's not all free money.
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04-08-2016 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by penguinpoker
A https://particle-system-asymmetrik.herokuapp.com/

It isn't amazing but I thought it would be good enough for a junior role to at least get an onsite. When I asked for feedback they said it met the basic requirements but it didn't stand out
to be totally honest it doesn't, its kind of jquery/canvas soup. I'd probably start by reading style guides/js best practices. Definitely cut down on the globals, callbacks that don't do anything, callbacks that only call another function (can just replace with that function), inconsistent formatting etc.
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04-08-2016 , 12:05 PM
Victor I was in a similar position (except imo I was weaker than my classmates rather than stronger). Obv it's different in the Bay Area, but just keep applying and learning. Go to all related programming/tech meetups if there are any, be willing to take internships if you have to. You can apply for remote jobs (or just out of state jobs) if you run out of local jobs. There are sites for remote job postings.
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04-08-2016 , 01:34 PM
I will look into Tripplebyte.

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to be totally honest it doesn't, its kind of jquery/canvas soup. I'd probably start by reading style guides/js best practices. Definitely cut down on the globals, callbacks that don't do anything, callbacks that only call another function (can just replace with that function), inconsistent formatting etc.
Meh, it was for a Junior level role and it was supposed to be done in 2 to 4 hours. It isn't going to be perfect.
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04-08-2016 , 01:56 PM
If you're sending out that many apps you might be running into a quantity over quality issue. Every resume you send out should be targeted to a specific company and job posting. The only time generic resumes are acceptable are situations where you're not targeting a specific job (working with a recruiter, posting on a job board, maybe attending a hiring event but even then you should do some research and prepare some resumes targeted to the companies that are there). Your objective should mirror the job description for every job you apply for. The requirements and skills desired should be near the top of the resume and/or bolded. If each opening gets 100 resumes you need to be in the top 10% to get an interview, and if you know you're already at a disadvantage because of your employment history, that's all the more reason to do everything you can to make your resume stand out. Believe it or not, some people are not that serious about actually finding a new job when they submit resumes. Employers know this so it makes a lot of sense from their perspective to ignore the candidates that haven't really put a lot of effort into it. So don't let that small number scare you, if you saw the quality of your competition you'd realize you can easily come out on top, it just requires a bit of effort.
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04-08-2016 , 02:28 PM
Yeah. I work with a recruiter, and I am targetting no more than a job or 2 at a time. For each job he and I have a brief discussion and he puts together 3 or 4 sentences that essentially pick out the most relevant parts of my resume for the job. He's told me that a hiring manager will spend no more than 30-60 seconds per job submission, and if he doesn't see what he want, he just goes to the next. (This is assuming that he has 200 resumes on his desk, which he probably does)
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04-08-2016 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
to be totally honest it doesn't, its kind of jquery/canvas soup. I'd probably start by reading style guides/js best practices. Definitely cut down on the globals, callbacks that don't do anything, callbacks that only call another function (can just replace with that function), inconsistent formatting etc.
Thanks for your feedback. You are right about it.
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04-08-2016 , 02:36 PM
Are you customizing the resume or just the cover letter? My resume has been the same every time but my cover letter has been customized.
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04-08-2016 , 03:22 PM
Should be both afaik
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