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Old 07-22-2021, 04:40 AM   #51
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If I posted my build, would someone be kind enough to give advice on where to upgrade/downgrade?
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regarding cpus, Ryzens 5000 series will likely still be unavailable and/or overpriced in the near future
so yes, you are stuck to 3000 series (4000 were just APUs and mobile chips)

depending on your use case, you can def get away with a R7 3700x for mostly anything, but if you plan to build a system mainly for running sims around the clock, a R9 3900x+ will make a lot more sense. if we're talking preflop and 3way solving as well, maybe some PLO, 3950x.

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Old 07-22-2021, 09:38 PM   #52
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sure thing

regarding cpus, Ryzens 5000 series will likely still be unavailable and/or overpriced in the near future
so yes, you are stuck to 3000 series (4000 were just APUs and mobile chips)

depending on your use case, you can def get away with a R7 3700x for mostly anything, but if you plan to build a system mainly for running sims around the clock, a R9 3900x+ will make a lot more sense. if we're talking preflop and 3way solving as well, maybe some PLO, 3950x.
Alright, I'm a complete fish in building a PC and this is my first time doing it.

Disclaimer: I'll mostly need it for running sims (not around the clock) and grinding +6 tables. Also expecting MATLAB and other coding programs to run smoothly. Throw in the occasional CS:GO and that's 95% of my usage. Probably could just go for R7 3700x like you mentioned but the price difference wasn't that high.

Disclaimer2: Since I'm a fish and Finland based I chose to use a Finnish website to find every component and eventually pay them to put it together. I do realise I could probably save at least $200 ordering the same parts elsewhere in EU. I just find it convenient ordering everything under one place from my home country and especially if problems arise afterwards. I may reconsider this if you convince me otherwise. What's the shipping etc gonna be if I were to order the following parts from here and there in EU?

This is what I came up with: https://aijaa.com/ngR64Z. Followed the list made by powertsp. Any suggestions and is there some parts missing? Really unsure if the video card is enough for my use.
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Old 07-23-2021, 05:35 AM   #53
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so about the gpus, price are slowly coming back atm, they've been ridiculous for a year now (covid + crypto miners depleting stocks), but it's still going to take a while to normalize

for example that rtx 2060 was a 350 eur card at msrp and that was 2+ years ago
the way I see it, if you don't want overpay now, you have a few ways to go about it. 1) buy the barebones minimum gpu for now, just to get your pc to boot, wait for the prices to normalize, then sell and buy a proper card, 2) look for a good deal on the used market, 3) say **** it and get ripped off. if you go with option 1, weak ass cards like a GT1030 are available at msrp right now and that's sufficient to get your system and a 4k monitor going for now and you can then sell it and only lose 25-50 eurs. option 2 I'd honestly avoid if I were you, unless you know and trust the guy. sadly, I couldn't tell you how long till gpus return to msrp. if you need smth now, there's no way around getting ripped off a bit.

Idk if Matlab uses gpu too, the solvers won't. cs go is more of a cpu title anyway, but you still need decent video..

so for the case, I would recommend something that has mesh in front so that the intake fans can actually pull some air in.

you may also consider a 3rd party cooler for the Ryzen cpu. the stock cooler is ok for an R7 (you get the same one on R7 and R9), but the R9 is a bit too hot for it, so what happens is a) it will not let it reach its full potential and b) the stock cooler is going to be annoyingly loud because the fan will have to spin faster to keep up. stock cooler is sufficient to deliver and sustain the base frequency advertised but there's easily an extra 15% or so performance to be had with another cooler and the noise would get quite a lot better too. You have a choice out of Deepcool Assassin III, Bequiet Dark Rock Pro 4, Noctua NH D14 or D15, whichever one of these is cheaper.

actually if you leave a link of the Finnish shop you're looking at, mby I can find you slightly better value for money there on some components
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Old 07-23-2021, 09:43 AM   #54
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Sadly I've delayed buying a new PC for too long and the need is urgent now. So *** it, I'm gonna get ripped off on the CPU but so be it

Definitely getting another cooler then if I go for the R9.

Here's the website: https://www.jimms.fi/. Should be able to turn it to English on the upper right. In case it doesn't work (didn't for me), the parts are under the tab "Komponentit". Any other translation needed just let me know. Thanks for the help so far! Appreciate it
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:10 AM   #55
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actually it might be worth it to go for a 5900x if you can afford it and it's in stock, there's about a 15-20% difference in real world performance in multi-threaded workloads like solvers or smth like matlab and even more so in games, up to 30% perhaps , whereas the price difference is ~20%. now because you're buying all the other components and most of them will stay the same, a 20% increase in cpu cost does not translate to a 20% increase in the cost of the system, it's going to be more like 10%

cooler, what I said before. I recommend an air (tower) cooler instead of water cooling because at the same price point, they cool the same, mby water is 2-3c colder but it's hardly noticeable. however, water cooling kits will not last you as long, the pump will break at some point, eventually liquid will permeate the tubes, might leak on your other components, it's not likely but can and will eventually happen at some point years down the road. whereas the tower cooler is just a hunk of aluminium, there's nothing to break.

the mobo of your choice will very much handle the 5900x

ram choice perfectly fine, but 3600 Mhz is considered sweet spot for this generation. if they're a lot more expensive tho, don't bother. can add 2 more stick at a later time if needed, I think Ryzen 5000 series actually benefit from 4 sticks over 2 but I wouldn't go with 4x8gb now, would rather do 2x16gb with the option to add more later. one more thing to look for, low profile ram is more likely to fit under the cooler so avoid ram sticks with rgb light and **** that sticks on top of it

case whichever one you like as long as it has holes to draw air in, preferably comes with fans pre-installed so you don't have to buy and mount them yourself (also must be able to fit the size of the mobo you choose, i.e. ATX and the height of your cpu cooler and length of your gpu). this will all be specified. if it's not mentioned on jimms, google the part name and look on their website. at the end of the day, the case is just a box to keep the components in, in a perfect world with no cats and dogs and hair/dust, you wouldn't even need one, so no need to spend a lot here

the ssd is fine, I have one of those too. make sure you update the firmware on it, it's got a few known bugs that can make it unstable on older versions.

for the power supply, Seasonics are legendary, Cooler Master, Silverstone, bequiet are pretty decent too, avoid the rest imo, potentially dubious quality, most are just the same chinese oem skus, rebranded. I would shoot for a 750W just to have some headroom for future gpu upgrades, should you so decide. you will have to choose between non-modular, semi and full modular. difference is it's easier to route and hide cables with the modular options but that's about it.

gpu, your choice. you know what you need and how much you want to spend.

idk if I've missed anything, I guess shop around with the new info, post another list and I'll just check compatibility issues. if you got any more questions, hit me up. Cheers.
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Old 07-24-2021, 04:23 PM   #56
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The 2 vs 4 sticks for Ryzen depends on if the DIMMs are single or dual rank. With high capacity dual rank DIMMS you want 2 over 4. Smaller capacity single rank DIMMs can benefit a bit from running 4 matched modules. A 5900x solver build should probably go with 2x32GB DDR4 3600. I went with that in my 5800x build.
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Old 07-24-2021, 06:22 PM   #57
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uhm yes, I should say, ram requirement for hu postflops solvers is 32 gb for practical use, that is enough to solve srp with what I would call a reasonable amount of bet and raise sizes, where you can actually practice vs the solutions and node lock. for plo or 3way or preflop solving, you need 64+.

if you want super accuracy and very detailed aggregated reports, I suggest you go to gtowizard.com and pay for a month, I think it's 30$ for the basic sub that gives you access to the solutions, even stupidly complex solves with 19 sizes per turn, which must need 256gb+ ram easy, and you get access to some aggregated reports, but not all. for all you will need the top tier sub.

I think that would actually be worth it to you op, when you get your system up and need a bit of guidance as to what sizes to use in your sims and such before you start rolling the databases out, get a month sub on gtowizard, it can save you weeks of time wasted

if you don't have a solver yet, get gto+ if only doing postflop cash or simple postflop if interested in also doing tournies, 3way or preflop. they will work with each other, but they are considerably more expensive.

@HT, I was going off of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkG...el=GamersNexus .difference is pretty minimal but hey
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Old 07-24-2021, 09:47 PM   #58
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https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-...sus-2.2003308/
Here's a pretty good writeup of the ranks vs modules clarification.
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