sure thing

regarding cpus, Ryzens 5000 series will likely still be unavailable and/or overpriced in the near future
so yes, you are stuck to 3000 series (4000 were just APUs and mobile chips)

depending on your use case, you can def get away with a R7 3700x for mostly anything, but if you plan to build a system mainly for running sims around the clock, a R9 3900x+ will make a lot more sense. if we're talking preflop and 3way solving as well, maybe some PLO, 3950x.

Alright, I'm a complete fish in building a PC and this is my first time doing it.

Disclaimer: I'll mostly need it for running sims (not around the clock) and grinding +6 tables. Also expecting MATLAB and other coding programs to run smoothly. Throw in the occasional CS:GO and that's 95% of my usage. Probably could just go for R7 3700x like you mentioned but the price difference wasn't that high.

Disclaimer2: Since I'm a fish and Finland based I chose to use a Finnish website to find every component and eventually pay them to put it together. I do realise I could probably save at least $200 ordering the same parts elsewhere in EU. I just find it convenient ordering everything under one place from my home country and especially if problems arise afterwards. I may reconsider this if you convince me otherwise. What's the shipping etc gonna be if I were to order the following parts from here and there in EU?

This is what I came up with: https://aijaa.com/ngR64Z. Followed the list made by powertsp. Any suggestions and is there some parts missing? Really unsure if the video card is enough for my use.

so about the gpus, price are slowly coming back atm, they've been ridiculous for a year now (covid + crypto miners depleting stocks), but it's still going to take a while to normalize

for example that rtx 2060 was a 350 eur card at msrp and that was 2+ years ago
the way I see it, if you don't want overpay now, you have a few ways to go about it. 1) buy the barebones minimum gpu for now, just to get your pc to boot, wait for the prices to normalize, then sell and buy a proper card, 2) look for a good deal on the used market, 3) say **** it and get ripped off. if you go with option 1, weak ass cards like a GT1030 are available at msrp right now and that's sufficient to get your system and a 4k monitor going for now and you can then sell it and only lose 25-50 eurs. option 2 I'd honestly avoid if I were you, unless you know and trust the guy. sadly, I couldn't tell you how long till gpus return to msrp. if you need smth now, there's no way around getting ripped off a bit.

Idk if Matlab uses gpu too, the solvers won't. cs go is more of a cpu title anyway, but you still need decent video..

so for the case, I would recommend something that has mesh in front so that the intake fans can actually pull some air in.

you may also consider a 3rd party cooler for the Ryzen cpu. the stock cooler is ok for an R7 (you get the same one on R7 and R9), but the R9 is a bit too hot for it, so what happens is a) it will not let it reach its full potential and b) the stock cooler is going to be annoyingly loud because the fan will have to spin faster to keep up. stock cooler is sufficient to deliver and sustain the base frequency advertised but there's easily an extra 15% or so performance to be had with another cooler and the noise would get quite a lot better too. You have a choice out of Deepcool Assassin III, Bequiet Dark Rock Pro 4, Noctua NH D14 or D15, whichever one of these is cheaper.

actually if you leave a link of the Finnish shop you're looking at, mby I can find you slightly better value for money there on some components

Sadly I've delayed buying a new PC for too long and the need is urgent now. So *** it, I'm gonna get ripped off on the CPU but so be it

Definitely getting another cooler then if I go for the R9.

Here's the website: https://www.jimms.fi/. Should be able to turn it to English on the upper right. In case it doesn't work (didn't for me), the parts are under the tab "Komponentit". Any other translation needed just let me know. Thanks for the help so far! Appreciate it

actually it might be worth it to go for a 5900x if you can afford it and it's in stock, there's about a 15-20% difference in real world performance in multi-threaded workloads like solvers or smth like matlab and even more so in games, up to 30% perhaps , whereas the price difference is ~20%. now because you're buying all the other components and most of them will stay the same, a 20% increase in cpu cost does not translate to a 20% increase in the cost of the system, it's going to be more like 10%

cooler, what I said before. I recommend an air (tower) cooler instead of water cooling because at the same price point, they cool the same, mby water is 2-3c colder but it's hardly noticeable. however, water cooling kits will not last you as long, the pump will break at some point, eventually liquid will permeate the tubes, might leak on your other components, it's not likely but can and will eventually happen at some point years down the road. whereas the tower cooler is just a hunk of aluminium, there's nothing to break.

the mobo of your choice will very much handle the 5900x

ram choice perfectly fine, but 3600 Mhz is considered sweet spot for this generation. if they're a lot more expensive tho, don't bother. can add 2 more stick at a later time if needed, I think Ryzen 5000 series actually benefit from 4 sticks over 2 but I wouldn't go with 4x8gb now, would rather do 2x16gb with the option to add more later. one more thing to look for, low profile ram is more likely to fit under the cooler so avoid ram sticks with rgb light and **** that sticks on top of it

case whichever one you like as long as it has holes to draw air in, preferably comes with fans pre-installed so you don't have to buy and mount them yourself (also must be able to fit the size of the mobo you choose, i.e. ATX and the height of your cpu cooler and length of your gpu). this will all be specified. if it's not mentioned on jimms, google the part name and look on their website. at the end of the day, the case is just a box to keep the components in, in a perfect world with no cats and dogs and hair/dust, you wouldn't even need one, so no need to spend a lot here

the ssd is fine, I have one of those too. make sure you update the firmware on it, it's got a few known bugs that can make it unstable on older versions.

for the power supply, Seasonics are legendary, Cooler Master, Silverstone, bequiet are pretty decent too, avoid the rest imo, potentially dubious quality, most are just the same chinese oem skus, rebranded. I would shoot for a 750W just to have some headroom for future gpu upgrades, should you so decide. you will have to choose between non-modular, semi and full modular. difference is it's easier to route and hide cables with the modular options but that's about it.

gpu, your choice. you know what you need and how much you want to spend.

idk if I've missed anything, I guess shop around with the new info, post another list and I'll just check compatibility issues. if you got any more questions, hit me up. Cheers.

The 2 vs 4 sticks for Ryzen depends on if the DIMMs are single or dual rank. With high capacity dual rank DIMMS you want 2 over 4. Smaller capacity single rank DIMMs can benefit a bit from running 4 matched modules. A 5900x solver build should probably go with 2x32GB DDR4 3600. I went with that in my 5800x build.

uhm yes, I should say, ram requirement for hu postflops solvers is 32 gb for practical use, that is enough to solve srp with what I would call a reasonable amount of bet and raise sizes, where you can actually practice vs the solutions and node lock. for plo or 3way or preflop solving, you need 64+.

if you want super accuracy and very detailed aggregated reports, I suggest you go to gtowizard.com and pay for a month, I think it's 30$ for the basic sub that gives you access to the solutions, even stupidly complex solves with 19 sizes per turn, which must need 256gb+ ram easy, and you get access to some aggregated reports, but not all. for all you will need the top tier sub.

I think that would actually be worth it to you op, when you get your system up and need a bit of guidance as to what sizes to use in your sims and such before you start rolling the databases out, get a month sub on gtowizard, it can save you weeks of time wasted

if you don't have a solver yet, get gto+ if only doing postflop cash or simple postflop if interested in also doing tournies, 3way or preflop. they will work with each other, but they are considerably more expensive.

@HT, I was going off of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkG...el=GamersNexus .difference is pretty minimal but hey

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-...sus-2.2003308/
Here's a pretty good writeup of the ranks vs modules clarification.

ah ok ic

Been a busy few days. Also been watching generic how to build your PC videos from TechSource, very informative and detailed. I do realise it wouldn't be that difficult putting it together but it would require time - especially on your first time - so rather still outsource it.

The 5900x is roughly 100€ more expensive than 3900x at least in the Finnish stores so overall not that big of a difference for the whole PC. It does seem the former is in stock too.

Is there btw an argument to go for pre-built PC on this current market when the parts are either n/a or overpriced? Or are they even more overpriced with shittier specs?

What about ordering the parts e.g. from Amazon? Any benefits? A quick look on the CPUs showed that whilst the item itself might be cheaper they come with crazy shipping fees. Is is like that always with every item no matter where from Amazon you'd order?

ok so if you're worried that it's difficult to put together or time consuming, it's really neither
I'd say 2-3h max even if you've never done it before, it's so easy these days, everything generally just works out of the box, stuff is labeled and keyed, there are easy to follow guides. Not only that but it's satisfying and you will have learned a new skill at the end of the day and you'll even be proud of yourself a little bit. In the past couple of years, I've had at least 10 people reach out to me on 2+2 that had never seen the inside of a computer and literally all of them had built their own within a week or 2, including the wait for shipping in pandemic times and all of them sent me a thank you message at the end, saying how easy the process was.

nothing wrong with pre-built pcs but you tend to pay more and often they cheapen out on parts that don't show up in the specs list. then there's the big brand names like Dell,HP,Lenovo,Acer etc. that are guilty of fitting their systems with non-standard, non off the shelf parts, which means that when smth breaks, they got you by the balls and you'll pay whatever they ask cause there's no other way you can get that part.

can you find a smaller company that has fair prices for their systems, uses standard components that make sense and tend to be what you're looking for? sure but you'll have to look for one custom enough for your needs and prob not in Scandinavia.

you can actually get a custom laptop done for not that much more than a pc with a R9 desktop cpu if you're into that. it's going to be a big thicc boi with 1-2h of battery life tho.

about amazon and shipping fees, I've no idea how expensive it is to ship stuff to Finland. wouldn't surprise me, seeing as geographically it's in the middle of nowhere and has a pop of 5mil I also haven't cross checked prices with the finnish retailer you linked me, you will have to see for yourself if it's worth it to you. I wouldn't, unless the savings are decent tho. mby you have to return smth, it might be a pain. dunno how long it takes.

Get the RX 570! It's great if you ever want to game.

5900x is significantly faster than 3900x. Spend the extra $100. I would have gone with 5900x/5950x over 5800x if I had been able to find one at MSRP when I built.

6600 XT launched
8 gigs, bit > RTX 3060 in benchmarks
380$ msrp
still a bit too much if we were in the pre covid/mining world seeing as the 3060 launched for 330$
but they can supposedly roll out more of these because of a change in manufacturing process so mby we'll see these in stock often and selling for what they're supposed to

Comments and feedback read and tried to choose accordingly the following parts:

CPU:

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...-12-core-boxed

As discussed, upgraded the R9 3900x to 5900x for 110€ more.

Motherboards:

1. https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...-p-atx-emolevy

2. https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...-x-atx-emolevy

3. https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...fi-atx-emolevy

Are there any differences on these? They are all compatible with 5900x afaik. Any legit reason to go for a more expensive mobo than the first two posted?

RAM:

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...18-1-35v-musta

Upgraded to 3600mhz as per recommendation. Worth the money or overpriced?

GPU:

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...jain-6gb-gddr5

There were not many options to choose from that were in stock (unsurprisingly) but decided something like above will be perfectly fine for my need. Good price for a GTX 1660 6GB in this market? I could probably go even lower and just upgrade the GPU in the future (like ionutd mentioned in the beginning) if that's what I desire to do.

Case:

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...rollerin-musta

Good enough for my GPU and R9 CPU? If I understood correctly this one has a mesh front and does have additional coolers but is it enough for R9? People commented there that the size is big enough to fit most CPUs and GPUs so I guess that wouldn't be an issue.

Haven't looked at 3rd party coolers yet but Jimms did seem to have those.

Power supply:

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...us-norm-124-90

Seasonic, 750W, on sale. No brainer?

SSD:

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...2200-2000-mb-s

Same as before.

All parts in one pic:

https://aijaa.com/7iVUXW

Compatible issues? Any feedback appreciated before I press that buy button.

P.S. You convinced me, ionutd. I'm gonna try to build it myself. Exciting times

I checked the mobo you originally picked and the power delivery was adequate (i.e. it will not bottleneck your cpu and gpu). pretty sure all these ones you linked now are perfectly fine too
nevertheless, here are some features you might actually want on a board so mby you pick based on these:
-error leds, some have leds that light up on the board to show you why your system won't boot, either separate leds for cpu/display/ram/chipset or a screen that displays an error code
this is esp useful if you don't have a 2nd Ryzen system to swap parts and test for faults
-dual bios. if you somehow manage to brick the board, which can happen during a bios update or otherwise, but it's very rare, you will have a 2nd bios that always works and that can't be changed
-if the board doesn't have wifi and bt, you can buy a dedicated pcie card for idk 30-50$ or usb dongles

I think 40 eur extra for faster ram is reasonable and it's the low profile version too, that will help when you have to install the big ass cpu cooler

gpu idk how bad you need it right now, if I had the luxury of waiting a couple of months, I'd get a gt 1030 now and when gpus drop in price, sell that for a small loss and buy what I need at close to msrp. but if you need now, get what you can afford.

as far as I can see, that case comes with 2 fans included and a controller. I would get 2 more fans, put 1 more in front to intake air and 1 up top above the cpu to exhaust. doesn't super matter what fans you get, but make sure they are pwm and the correct size (prob 120mm). they will plug into the controller box together with the included ones. pwm means they can run at non max speed, so when your pc isn't doing anything they're not blasting away for no reason and making noise

psu,ssd fine

there are tons of building guide on youtube, most should be fine, it's really not a big deal to begin with. as a few words of caution, never work inside your pc with the power on. if you have to open the case and touch stuff, unplug power supply and hold the power button for 10s or so to completely discharge the capacitors on the mobo. one more thing, when you plug everything in, if the header on a cable doesn't fit, don't blindly jam it in to infinity. take a look, mby it's not the right orientation, some are keyed so you can tell them apart, just need to look a bit before. some cables you will need to push harder on the mobo like the usb3 header and some of the connections with the buttons on the front of the case, apply a little pressure in that spot on the back of the mobo as you're trying to get them in so the board doesn't bend too much. might be the case when you're trying to mount the cooler too.

otherwise, GL you'll be done in no time

3600MHz RAM is the widely reported sweet spot for cost/perf on Ryzen 5xxx. Set the Infinity Fabric in the BIOS/firmware to run at 1800MHz (this matches RAM clock. 1800MHz * 2 signals per clock for DDR).
SSD is mediocre but ok.
GPU market is stupid. If you have anything you can reuse for now, CS Go is not that demanding and should run fine on a 4-5 year old card.

Can I get a spot check on this PC build? Looking to only use this for grinding (Ignition, App games on emulators, other US access sties), and PIO + research projects. Mostly concerned with CPU, RAM, and GPU... have very little idea of what is sufficient. Don't really care about the price as long as it's not a *blatant* rip off

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QnrJK3

that RX 580 @ 700$ is a blatant ripoff
in 2019 that was a sub 200$ card
wait a little, gpu prices are starting to come down
or try to find smth used, paying 3.5x msrp is silly

I'd for a Ryzen 7 instead, won't bring the system price too much while increasing the performance significantly

that ssd is sata, go for an nvme one, not much more expensive and way faster. pick one in tier C https://linustechtips.com/topic/1092...%20items...%20

IO is pretty much right on.
Definitely don't buy a 3xxx Ryzen at that price. At a minimum get the 5600x for a few dollars more, the generational improvement is large. The 5800x is preferable if you can stretch the budget and/or not horrendously overpay for an RX 580.
Get an m.2 NVME SSD, preferably PCIe 4.0, but the PCIe version is less important than switching to NVME.

TYVM all! Made some changes to the setup, upgraded to Ryzen 7x and gutted the GPU. May I please ask for one more look? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LDkvrr

the 1050 TI is pretty old and junky. what I suggest is you get a gt 1030 for now, which is available at close to its 100$ msrp, this will get you started for now and when gpu prices drop, in hopefully a couple of months, you can sell it at a small loss and get the card you want. it feels pretty meh to get a shitty card now you'll change as soon as you need a decent one just because the rest are overpriced atm. you did say smth about emulators, those seem to be pretty demanding... not sure a 1050 ti will even do much

looking at the cpu and seeing what's in stock now on pcpartpicker, your better options are either a 3700x or a 5600x, both at 280$. I think the R5 5600x is a better option for you.

ssds
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QQr...ve-wds100t3x0c
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hQ4...e-sb-rktq4-1tb

when headtrauma mentioned pcie 4.0, he was referring to smth else the 2nd one linked is the slightly faster version

The WD drive is generally a better drive. It's TLC, the Sabrent Q4 is QLC.
Used/working pull business class Quadro NVS cards are a decent choice for 2D/non-gaming video requirements while GPU prices are absurd.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27483317930...cAAOSwzv9gx2k7
These are useless for gaming, but drive a display just fine for Windows.

This suitable cooling fan for the CPU? https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...arjous-norm-29

PWM, 120mm

This one in front?

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...-laitetuuletin

I have no idea if there's any difference, but apparently former was branded as a CPU fan and the latter more as an all rounder.

I ordered rest of the parts already, but since the chose SSD was described as mediocre I continued the search. These are all on the Tier C list:

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...3500-3000-mb-s

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...3480-1880-mb-s

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...3500-1800-mb-s

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show...7000-5000-mb-s

Any word of advice which one is best value for money?

Found a GT 1030 for under 100€, think I will go with that as per recommendation. It's ASUS PH GT1030 OC 2GB GDDR5, good to go?

Thanks for the help so far!