Looking to build a new pc or improve/upgrade the one i built around 7 yrs ago.

Uses - poker mainly, Pokerstars, Party, PT4 database.

Basic desktop stuff, office etc. Internet browsing. Occasional use by my kids playing minecraft, roblox etc. No serious gaming requirements

I'd like to also get into using GTO+ solver, doesnt seem like the system req here are too demanding.

Also looking to ugrade monitors and i'd like the option to go 27" 1440. Mainly playing 6-10 tables, curently have a 23" 1080 monitor that will hold lobbies, Sharkscope etc

On to what I currently have-
CPU: Core i5 2400
MOBO: Asus P8H61-M PRO
RAM: 8GB Kingston Hyper X Genesis 1600 C9 DDR3 (2x4GB)
SSD: Crucial MX500 SSD
STORAGE: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500gb
CASE: Antec 300
PSU: Corsair CX430
COOLER: Gelid Solutions Rev. 2 Tranquillo

Would a GPU and 16GB get me what I want? Is it worthwhile spending money on a GPU and new RAM for a system this old.

Could I build something far better for around £600-650? If so, I could keep hold of the SSD for my new build and pass evrything else to my children for there needs.

Would one of the AMD Ryzens with built in GPU suffice for 1440p without having to pay out for a dedicated card?

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for any help.

Oh, monitor recommendations would be highly appreciated too. Anything good value for £200-£250

Cheers
Dan

welp gto+ would work at a casual level on an i5 2nd gen but you still need 16 gigs of ram. i.e. solving single spots or small databases. Because you have 2x4gb sticks, I'm afraid these will have to go and replaced with 2x8 unless you have 4 ram slots on your motherboard and can fit 4x4

for minecraft type games, a 1050ti or 1650 from nvidia or RX 460/470+ from AMD would do, these are sub 100$ cards, more like 50$ used. if you spend a bit more, you can play more demanding games too and they wouldn't be held back by the old i5 (up to a point). there's a new line of gpus out right now and people are selling their old cards, this would be a good time to shop for used, as you'd be able to punch above your weight with a small-ish budget.

A ryzen APU (the only ones with integrated graphics, 2400g or 3400g) plays games like GTA V reasonably well on 1080p

honestly for 200 quid you can find chinese 40" 4k tvs if you're into big ass displays. you're not going to be playing games at 4k, but can fit a ton of tables or just 8 tables + a youtube video, stream of your choice or a browser tab on the other half of the screen. if not, 27" 1080p monitors go for 150 or so. not much difference in those at that price bracket but make sure you pick up an IPS, PLS or VA panel and not TN.

Ty, for the advice. Is 1080p ok for poker at 27”? I was told in one of my discord groups I would need 1440. The 1080’s are a fair bit cheaper so be happy if I could save money here.

If I went new build, any thoughts on this?

AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor
£88.38 @ Aria PC
Motherboard
Gigabyte A520M H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
£57.30 @ CCL Computers
Memory
*Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
£54.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage
Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
£95.99 @ Amazon UK
Video Card
MSI Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card
£154.97 @ More Computers
Case
DIYPC F2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case
£78.77 @ Newegg UK
Power Supply
SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
£49.99 @ Scan.co.uk
Monitor
AOC Q3279VWFD8 31.5" 2560x1440 75 Hz Monitor

if you were to build from scratch, I suggest you went with a Ryzen 5 instead, cheapest one you can find, you can really feel the difference in day to day use and get a board with 4 ram slots for future proofing. this one is ok and cheap https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-PRIME-...953263&sr=8-17

btw that mATX case is overpriced, should be like 30 quid

Thank you. I'll take a look around and maybe post something here for you to look over before commiting.

regarding the monitor's resolution, it does help if you have a bit extra vertical res to tile 1 more table per column.
so 1920x1200 would allow for 1 more vertical table over 1920x1080. 1440p even better, higher res, more stuff you can fit on your screen.
just remember, no TN displays, those have washed up colors, bad contrast so harder to see in day light and from what I've heard and experienced, more likely you got eye soreness and headaches on TN panels.

The cheapest Ryzen 5 i can get here in the uk is the 3400G @£125.99 only 4 cores tho.

2600X is £130
or a Ryzen 7 2700X is £170

although both of these would require me to buy a seperate graphics card if I understand all this correctly

Would the 3400G with only 4 cores manage GTO+ if i required it in the future?

Thanks again for your help. This stuff is frying my brain

If the 3400G wont cut it, what would be advised between the 3600X and the 2700X at roughly the same cost?

How does this look?

The PSU, SSD and HDD I already have in my current build, so could reuse them?
PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yky6cq

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor (£169.95 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: *MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£104.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£54.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£52.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£27.88 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GT 1030 2 GB Phoenix Fan OC Video Card (£79.72 @ CCL Computers)
Case: RIOTORO CR500 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Case Fan: RIOTORO Cross-X Classic 47 CFM 120 mm Fan (£6.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £497.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-26 18:41 BST+0100

if you want a bigger screen id sell you my 55" 4k samsung for a good price

Thanks for the offer but 55” is way bigger than what I’m after at the moment.

You should be able to find the 3600 for not much more than the quote you have for the 3400G if you shop around, I only paid £160 for it about three months ago

edit - but yeah, that would require a separate GPU, although if you're only doing standard poker without a bunch of monitors then any cheap card will work

Considering a complete u turn here and going with an i5-10500 build, cheaper than the 2700/3600 and onboard video. Any thoughts? Would my Tranquillo cooler be better than the stock that comes with the i5?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7dGsb8

CPU: Intel Core i5-10500 3.1 GHz 6-Core Processor (£158.83 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Rev. 2 Tranquillo 58 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock H470 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard (£102.49 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL15 Memory (£64.99 @ Box Limited)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£52.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£28.64 @ Amazon UK)
Case: RIOTORO CR500 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Total: £407.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-27 13:08 BST+0100

ye that cooler is better than Ryzen stock and way better than Intel's blowers but you won't be able to mount it as is. there might be socket 1155 to lga 1200 adapters... I know people diy AM3 brackets by drilling a couple of holes to make it AM4 compatible for Ryzen.

so this new system is just for poker or do you need your kids to game on it as well?

cause there are a couple options that make sense to you financially if all you need is poker

1.Ryzen 5 non G + cheapest gpu you can find with an HDMI or a DP, whichever you need. shouldn't spend more than 30 quid
2.Ryzen 5 2400G/3400G, which come with their own igpu, better than Intel integrated graphics
3.Intel i5 non K or KF (those don't have graphics)

If kids will use it to play light games, either get a Ryzen G series or a cpu with no integrated graphics and a mid to low range gpu of your choice

I would ditch the hard drive and just get a larger m.2 ssd, not worth it and you're not saving a significant amount

Mainly poker, and i'd like to get into GTO+ at some point. Occasional gaming use when my daughter plays minecraft, roblox or among us.

Figured the i5-10500 would be great for the GTO+ while also giving me some basic onboard graphics. Saving the cost of a GPU. Plus the 10500 is on sale at the minute around £30 cheaper than the 2700X or 3600X, both of which id need to buy a video card for.

i'll look into the cooler situation thank you. Is the m.2 ssd much faster than the sata6?

Looks like the cooler might be compatible with the 1200 socket

https://www.techspot.com/news/84956-...et-lake-s.html

nvme ssds have come down in price lately and are def worth it imo. modern mid range cpus and ddr4 are fast enough these days that the system's bottleneck is going to be storage. pci express (nvme ssds) has much more bandwith (max data transfer speeds) to work with than sata. nvme goes straight on your motherboard, no cables needed.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ssd-tier-list/

pick something from tier B or C. I suggest you go for a 500gb+ model for better speeds and reliability. if it makes sense money wise, you can get a 500gb nvme for the OS and software and an additional cheap sata ssd for files. just don't buy hard drives in this day and age.

if you want to go intel, that i5 looks perfectly competent to run gto+ all day long. if you say the old cooler fits, even better.

there are some pretty well priced options for Intel pre-builts as well if you say you don't need a dedicated gpu and don't want to bother building your own.

Even better, if you're not in a hurry, Black Friday and Cyber Monday are just around the corner, surely you'd be able to find a better value for money pre-built then and even on most of the parts you're considering now.