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Old 04-07-2021, 05:13 AM   #126
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Re: Keyboard and Mouse Thread

Hi ionutd,

i am looking for a new wireless mouse with two side buttons, nothing special, no gaming except poker.

can you please recommend one for me?

Length: 18cm
Width: 10.5cm
Palm (sometimes finger tip i think)
Wireless (i favor bluetooth)
Germany, 30-50

Thx in advance!
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Old 04-07-2021, 06:08 AM   #127
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that's an interesting hand shape, it's on the shorter side but fat
which means you could use a wider mouse, there are a few really good value shorter and thinner options out there, I don't think they'd fit your hand well tho
tell me, when you put your hand on your mouse, do you like to put all 3 middle fingers on top (one one left click, one next to scroll, one on right click) or just 2 up top and the ring finger + pinky dangling on the right side of the mouse?
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Old 04-07-2021, 06:36 AM   #128
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for now I'll recommend either this https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Logitech-...mputers&sr=1-2

has BT built in + a wireless dongle, so you can connect to 2 computers at once and either switch between them with a button or Logitech has a nice piece of software that allows you to move the cursor automatically to the other pc when you touch the side of your screen and also lets you move files between the 2 computers this way.
has a nice scroll wheel, you have the option to have it spin freely to scroll really fast down a long document or use as a fidget spinner
shape should fit your hand

or this https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Razer-Bas...7789229&sr=8-5

gaming mouse or not, it's a nicer piece of tech and it will last you longer, particularly the clicks, as it doesn't develop double clicking issues which are annoying af. should fit your hand better and can palm it. not BT tho and doesn't have any of the software benefits of the Logitech if those are important to you. scroll also not as kewl.

I would advise you to avoid the generic 20 eur office mice because they're almost all ****, last you a year on average and the shapes are ugh. If you like vertical mice, those are ok but the micro switches for the clicks don't really hold up long time in my experience. https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Rechargea...792117&sr=8-41
at least they give you 2x left and right clicks with the one I linked lol
these are comfy for me, tho it takes a few days to get used to one and they're esp good if your wrist hurts. I use either a vertical or a trackball mouse, in rotation with my regular main mouse to avoid wrist and finger pain.

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Old 04-07-2021, 07:39 AM   #129
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that's an interesting hand shape, it's on the shorter side but fat
lol yeah, maybe it's 19 cm rather than 18. i didn't quite know where exactly to start measuring, but ok, i guess that's not so crucial..

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tell me, when you put your hand on your mouse, do you like to put all 3 middle fingers on top (one one left click, one next to scroll, one on right click) or just 2 up top and the ring finger + pinky dangling on the right side of the mouse?
i usually put all 3 middle fingers on top.

thanks so far for your help. i'll take a look at the links
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Old 04-07-2021, 08:00 AM   #130
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Re: Keyboard and Mouse Thread

awesome thread, glad i found it, curious what you recommend as I should be building a desktop within next few months

mouse
hand 20 mm (palm is 9 mm wide)
fingertip style three middle up top and thumb and pinky just hanging out overboard (recall palming in the past when i had those bulky mouses but lately been using ones similar in shape to apple ones because they travel well with laptop so possibly due to current design usage of past 5+ years)
right handed not sure if relevant but my pointer fingers are a little longer than usual, extending about halfway in between the gap of the middle and index fingers

i prefer using the mouse wheel when browsing online so that's something i'd definitely want included but can learn to go without

mostly using trackpad these days and only bust out mouse when need the heavy lifting but with plans for a pc build that changes things

keyboard open to suggestions, always been a fan of using the numerical pad and it kills me that's not on more laptops

open to learning non qwerty variations

not a gamer, if i do then it's slow and methodical stuff like civ and crusader kings and just play poker casually these days so don't imagine i'll need hotkeys very much

don't have any need to buy the cool thing or spend a lot of extra for small changes but never used anything beyond stock keyboard and mouse so open to upgrading

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Old 04-07-2021, 10:26 AM   #131
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i usually put all 3 middle fingers on top.

thanks so far for your help. i'll take a look at the links
in this case my recommendations stand
you get one and you don't like it, return it and hit me back with what felt wrong about it
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Old 04-07-2021, 02:17 PM   #132
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hi there Rick, let's get you some peripherals made for humans, buddy...
you didn't mention a budget, so I will assume you're willing to pay a bit more for some extra nice items. they're not unreasonably priced tho for what you get, I don't like expensive mediocre stuff. there are plenty of cheap mediocre products.

mouse
if you really like using a trackpad, I would suggest a trackball instead https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Ex...7806442&sr=8-3
it's a lot easier on your fingers, the ball on this one is so big you basically get to wrap the middle 3 fingers around that ball, minimal movement is needed to use it, while your wrist comfortably sits on that inclined soft rest. it's like a 3d trackpad of sorts. you scroll using that ridged wheel around the ball, which is a lot of fun honestly. I've tried various trackball designs and neither were nearly as comfortable as that Kensington. It's a bit expensive but I think it's a thing of beauty and a satisfying experience. will take a week or so to get used to it, after that it's smooth sailing, some people never go back.

if you want a regular mouse

palm mice

cheap, good value, good shape
https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Basilis...7812325&sr=8-9

if you need more buttons for poker, great shape
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Ligh...812890&sr=8-12

if you want Logitech's software that lets you connect seamlessly to 2 computers and transfer files in a sec. comfy mouse.
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Mast...tronics&sr=1-1
or the newer version, with a more tilted ergo shape and super nice scroll wheels (and the coating is nicer)
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Mast...7812671&sr=8-2

fingertip mice

not wireless but the wire is so soft and flexible, it basically feels wireless when used on a desk
https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Viper-U...7819003&sr=8-4

unique party piece, hot swap micro switches (can change them yourself in a minute if one goes bad). mouse switches are cheap and easy enough to find, this extends the life of your mouse indefinitely
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Optical-...7818984&sr=8-4


keyboard
are you open to importing? the vast majority of enthusiast grade boards hail from Asia (Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, China). They ship wordwide using DHL usually, but 1. you have to wait a bit nowadays with Covid and 2. DHL often charges additional fees, they can be sneaky basterds, at least in Europe, idk how imports work in the US.

if so, top 2 options I would recommend;

functionality wise, this has all the features you could possibly want and need
https://epomaker.com/products/gk96s?...31882041425993
-one of the only southpaw versions out there, i.e. numberpad is on the left, which lets you move the keyboard as close as you want to your mouse and have room to move it freely and it's good for posture (so that your hands are not too far apart from shoulder width and create discomfort). does not apply if you use a trackball, as your hand stays in place at all times and your fingers do all the work, but still, if the numberpad is on the left, you can actually type in numbers quickly w/o having to take your hand off your mouse; esp useful in poker, right hand on mouse clicking the bet boxes, left hand on numberpad banging in the numbers. don't have to reach all the way to the right where the numberpad usually sits or reach to the row above all the letters or take your right hand off.
-both wired and wireless
-good quality PBT keycaps. it's a different type of plastic that won't change color over time, the legends will never fade away, the keycaps won't get that sheen to them caused by your Ph or oils in your fingers, they will basically look like new for 20-30 years.
-and most importantly, hot-swap and a vast choice of switches to try. few real advantages here, 1. can replace faulty switches with no tools in seconds, they are very cheap to buy, making the keyboard literally last forever (unless you dump a large coke on it, that will prob kill it), 2. can try different switches later in time, these vary a lot in feel and it's a pretty fun hobby to get into, 3. it's very easy to replace, fix or tweak the stabilizers beneath your larger keys. you got a squeaky space bar? can find diy tips on the internets and fix that up in 10 mins. if the board was not hot swap, doing this would require de-soldering a bunch of switches around the problem one which is a pain.
-here's what all the switches are like https://www.keychron.com/blogs/news/...l-switch-guide. if you can't decide which one you'd like, I recommend yellows, they're considered best bang for buck.

no.2 option https://www.nizkeyboard.com/collecti...yboard-non-rgb
more expensive but an experience on its own, these are "clones" of Topre switches. Topre keyboards come from Japan, they are incredibly well built and cost 300$+ Niz are a very good alternative for half the price.
they feel like typing on boobs and sound like rain drops in the forest. lol. listen for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eni07zZ5AYQ
seriously nice, quality keyboards

now I'm not entirely sure these are stocked in the US as the company is from South Korea, the middle man may or may not stock and there might be taxes to pay.
best pre-built keyboards available till you get to stupid money
available in different fun colors and beautifully finished. you get that artisanal ,hand made vibe. the switches are factory soldered (not hot swap). get this with Cherry MX Silent switches.
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop...uct_list&c=365
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop...uct_list&c=839

I'm guessing you're in your 40s+, so you might have used an IBM model M in the past and liked it. while those are no longer manufactured, a group of employees purchased all the old tooling from IBM and are now making the exact same boards in the same Kentucky factory. quality is 90% of what the golden age IBMs used to be, which means they're tanks that will basically last you forever. they're loud af and big/heavy, but like the trackball, it's a satisfying experience on its own, can't find anything quite like it. typing feels meaningful, like you're hammering something down
https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/NEW_M
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Old 04-07-2021, 02:22 PM   #133
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woah dude i owe you a beer next time i'm in europe

lots to digest here, will go over all of it, thank you

close on the age but you shaded a few years too old fyi
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Old 04-07-2021, 02:33 PM   #134
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in this case my recommendations stand
you get one and you don't like it, return it and hit me back with what felt wrong about it
Many thanks so far !! I will share my experience here..
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Old 04-07-2021, 03:53 PM   #135
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woah dude i owe you a beer next time i'm in europe

lots to digest here, will go over all of it, thank you

close on the age but you shaded a few years too old fyi
happy to help
forgot to add, get yourself a wrist rest too, https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop..._detail&p=6460

just found out these guys have a new, cheap, seemingly decent keyboard. 60 bucks for a hot swap is really cheap. I don't think they're in the US, it's most likely a Chinese based company.
https://www.keychron.com/products/ke...32294075072601
get the hot swap for 10$ more
between the 3 options, as a new mech board user, I think you'd like the brown switches best, that's what people seem to prefer.
don't get blues, you'll regret it. they're lots of fun for about a week or 2, then they're constantly annoying, even if you live alone, there's no way to escape that clacking
on reds it's easier to make typing mistakes, they trigger easily

lemme know if you have other questions/curiosities

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Old 04-07-2021, 03:54 PM   #136
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Many thanks so far !! I will share my experience here..
sure thing, glad to be of help
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Old 04-08-2021, 06:54 AM   #137
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ionutd,

Thanks for your continuing effort here. It is excellent, we are all better for it.
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Thanks Josem, you're too kind <3
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