Okay, so I am disappointed that we don’t have anything equivalent to stars or full tilt from 2003. Without looking at the poker client and thinking, I need coaching just to pick the right game.

I want to play 16 + 24 tables and look at PTR for scammers who I can harass for fun. I’ll try not to be humorous in this thread but let’s be honest I am posting on TwoPlusTwo; those whom invented game theory and troll theory on the internet – so it will be difficult to not be sarcastic or puntastic in my usual form. This is potentially a $5Billion dollar project, that’s how much PokerStars ecosystem was sold to Amaya for. This is what I am interested in long term but the open source version will always remain (as let's face it, we’ll need it, pokerlies).

We are going to build the foundations of Full Tilt from 2003, without the lack of ring-fenced funds, Lobsters, Golf, Bras, or Mismanagement. License to print money; yes. Adverts; yes. Dropped the ball; yes. Eventually the project will be fully crypto coin/token based, Sol, Eth, Sui, Others (Open to suggestions), ideally with every transaction logged on blockchain instantly or delayed depending on the strength of the coin/token. Anyone can contribute to the repository, however twoplustwoers will be given more love. Especially those who post a gif in this thread of them signing up to GitHub with identical 2p2 handles. If your new to software developing you are encouraged to contribute to other projects. And, learn how the GitHub community works, you don’t have to be a programmer, documenting a project is a contribution, finding bugs, anything, etc.


There may be an opportunity to move to India, get housed, free accommodation and free food for some advanced Devs, if you are of Asian origin this will be easier for you, free food means you eat what your given. Pls note I am the hardest person in the world to work with. I am in charge of TPTP, if you don’t like it, then fork u.

More about what we’re building below.

Repo
https://github.com/TopPair2Pair/TopPair2Pair.com
Mandatory to listen to "Soo Solid Crew" when visiting repository.

1. GitHub (Community)
Skype, Telegram, Discord is banned for comms, we’re not 22 anymore.
The community needs to be grown up adults contributing to software project via teams, trolling on the GitHub results in a ban from playing on the site; GitHub has professionals contributing out of their own free time and solving problems - - do not, I repeat, do not scare off advanced developers off the open source poker project. Ideally, they will join twoplustwo, and get involved in a little troll here and there… but we are building a professional fun loving community, not regurgitating twoplustwo on GitHub or TopPair2Pair.com.

2. Documentation (Docking)
The best open source projects have the best documentation, English is not my first language, so if anyone with amazing grammar wants rewrite my documentation, this is welcome, pls dm asap. Especially if you enjoy writing, I would like to retain some of the humour in the documentation but keep things as professional as possible, if you are thinking of using ChatGPT to rewrite my work, please don’t, I’d like someone super talented to be in charge/oversee docking. And language conversion. Hindi, Mandarin, Spanish. That covers most of the planet and google translate will not suffice for A+ documentation in said languages.

3. Existing Pillars of the Poker Community
If you’re a software dev who created much loved poker software for FT/PS or a loved poker player or twoplustwo bbv legend who is one of the above, we need you, please contribute on the GitHub, I have better things to do with my life then be the face of this, I enjoy anonymity however I will come out to play if I have to reluctantly, but I would prefer something else. For Example; we could do full tilt adverts, and different faces from the community could do the walk. It's open source baby. We want highsteaks heros who grinded up from 2nl and can prove it. In an eSports environment with humongous sample sizes.

4. Platform (Poker Client)
Front end Rust|C++|Chash / Backend Heroku|Node.js/player db postgres / Amazon Hosting / Namecheap / Sui Token / Launch a Coin create funding eventually with VC.

• Data, Data, Data.
• Data, Data, Data.
• Data, Data, Data.
• Data, Data, Data.
• Data, Data, Data.
• I am looking for srs support from serious developers who can help me understand how to build an open source platform online without bugs, that is the fastest platform to play online poker on. With 0 downtime, and handle a ddos attack.
• If you have worked on poker clients before we would love to hear from you.
• If you have worked on successful decentralised projects before we would love to hear from you in thread.
• If you have worked on MLL models before – we would love to hear from you,
• I believe we have enough data online to provide a tree or image to solve 100b hold’em poker, Nash equilibrium equivalent; visualising this is where the TopPair2Pair token will head from an artificial intelligence MLL perspective.
• Downloadable client is the only way forward eventually, but web based to start with is fine.
• Text based poker is the only way to begin this in my opinion, first we want play money volume. HTML5 + CSS??? Advice needed.

5. Volume Volume Volume (Sample Size)
8hrs a day, 40 tables, you do the math. That’s the ethos.
I have a vision that we can get our players to a sample size of a million hands per month but this is not quite Full Tilt poker, we want to purchase the rights from Amaya to bring back FT eventually. I don’t want to share more info quite yet but lets just say colluding is welcome, ai is welcome, and you can program your own bots on the site. We want all the villains that made 2p2 amazing between 2003 – 2013 to come out to play again in their retirement. Moar information will be released at a future date, but giving away my entire software spec is just ludicrous in my honest opinion. I have looked into paying developers to build this project twice and to be honest, its just not worth it. I am 43, passed on my genetics, retired and need a hobby; this might be it. I am not looking to go bankrupt and feed cheaters on the felt or behind a programming language.

Game types (Plolo)
Initially we will only be playing Headsup and PLO, 5card, 6card, 7card. No STTs, no MTTs. Go to the gamified sites if you want that BS, we want cash, headsup, highest stakes, eSports and prove you can do it behind a computer in front of an audience as well as at home, if you can’t, go to the other sites. Basically the WSOP of Cash. 5 second decisions, prove you are one of the greatest minds in the poker community (and mathmatics) on stage in Asia or Vegas or London.

6. Funding Model (Break even)
I am initially funding this project myself, I am in charge, it's my baby, customer service is my only priority. 24/7 support and working within the rules and regulations of EVERY country. This will eventually turn into a colossal project – keeping it open source is my main priority and outperforming those who steal our intellectual property. But doing so without major VC funding will be difficult, all depends on the kind of community I can build.

7. Forking (Bitcoin SV Anyone)
The theft of our intellectual property via open source will be inevitable because we will work towards building the best online poker platform out there. We welcome this behaviour; we encourage existing rooms to (freeroll us) steal our software and join our player pool – we want the biggest player pool in the world. The only player pool in the world.

8. VR Poker
We should build the project in 3 phases. Text based, Traditional Based, VR/AR Ready. For all VR ecosystems, meta, iOS, snap.

9. eSports
WSOP of CASH. Matchroom, call me.


10. Contribute ASAP
https://github.com/TopPair2Pair/TopPair2Pair.com
Please start contributing immediately. We will be using Mid-Journey and ChatGPT as well as other ML Languages to develop on this project, I have little experience in open source or in the field programming, I have overseen many freelancer or fiver projects, which, always went over budget. Make sure your twoplustwo handle matches your GitHub, if it doesn't - - then post in this thread. Sign up by recording the screen with a gif and post it here for a bespoke bonus to be determined by the community once we go real money.

10. Calculators
Third Party software/calculators, physical or computerised are barred. If a player is called out for using a calculator – prove your sample size IRL – or move to a forked site.
The player pool is built on reputation, we are looking for the greatest mathematical minds on the planet, so I can employ them and move them to Mars with me.

11. Next Steps
Build Build Build.
Looking for volunteers, do not pm, discuss here, pm's are welcome for theoretical discussion if thread is getting too active.

As many contributors as possible please.


The only thing that scares me is the RNG and how open source we can allow the RNG to be, ultimately, the site will operate on an open hand history format, 24hrs after each hand, full data of hand history will be revealed.

So looking for feedback on the RNG immediately.

12. Further Discussion / Random Thoughts
Rakeback on a million hands per month? too ambitious?
Supernova elite like reward system !!!! yes
Do we need a whitepaper? maybe
When do we Crypto? Coin or Token, integration at a much later date
Should the blockchain record every poker hand movement? lag much, is crypto there yet?
Build our own dEX to sell token?
My person Exit Strategy, it will be inevitable! Pension
Rebranding in future!

13. Vacancies

1. A Mod to moderate this thread as we don't want it turning into a chit show
2. Docking Managing
3. Community Manager
4. Nom/Marketing Manager - will nom ppl from the community/thread for a role
5. Troll manager, already filled, that will be i.

****Wages $10 paid on the 1st of each month via a crypto of your choice or mine commencing March 2025****

Much Love,
Tops

I wonder how much this proposal is:
a) fairyland nonsense;
b) a fraud;
c) wild success

Currently, it seems to me to be 90%/9.99%/0.01%, but I would be delighted to learn that (c) increases!

I'm expetcing to get trolled, I would say, contribute and see what we can build. If you're not interested in helping I'd rather just build it myself whilst colluding with ai.

My reputation is stellar within the community, no one knows me and no one has been scammed. So pls remove b.

And 0.01 is quite low, can you at least give me a whole 1%?

Anyway, thank you for the kind words. Pls note: I have an auto anti-troll mechanism when I first post, so even though my first reply was a bit salty I'd like to treat you with the respect you deserve being a poster with over 15K and posting since 2007. I hope that (c) increases as well. I will try to maintain a 24hr customer service SLA within this thread, until I state I can no longer do so. So apologies in not replying to you within a 24hr period.

If no one contributes to the github, then obv I will retain my work as not open source. And service levels for customer service won't be needed. Thank you for the inspiration.

Update as of Saturday 23/11/2024
Firstly, ty to Josem for the hope. I would've let the thread die if no one posted in it, as I am not going spam two+two, we either build a solid "field of dreams" project and the players come or they don't. The GitHub needs contribution. I've left the spreadsheet unfinished as I want to see if other(s) can follow the wireframing I've started with the .xls file to understand how I believe we can offer Hero's the opportunity to play 1million hands HU at PLO in a 30 day rolling period.

Personal update, I am in the UK until the end of the year, in India for Q1 of 2025 and then I'll decide late Q1 what's next. I honestly want to solve 100bb+ Holdem HU with an image/chart/tree that isn't impossible to read. And find/recognise the greatest mathematical minds on the planet through this webApp/poker client. I understand Poker is an imperfect game unlike Go, or Chess, but I have a few tricks up my sleeve but as mentioned I will not blow my net worth chasing the dream of solving poker. many have tried. We do this for the passion of the problem.

RNG update, as stated the only thing that scares me is the RNG and how it works, I am happy to start with Kuhn poker, Leduc Poker, Rhode Island holdem, paper scissors rock, but the goal is mass tabling 1v1 PLO, 5c, 6c and new variants to see if we can develop a Poker LLM. 1v1 is all I'm interested in right now, KISS. If anyone is familiar with counterfactual regret minimization, open source hand evaluators, Cactus Kev, HenryRLee, Fossana Solver please pop into the thread. This is a lot of old works, I'd like to see what new works we can put on GitHub. If your a paid product and want to give away a dumber version of your product via GitHub, lets talk as well. https://bolt.new really is going to change the software dev landscape.

13. Vacancies(All open)
A Mod to moderate this thread as we don't want it turning into a chit show
Docking Managing
Community Manager
Nom/Marketing Manager - will nom ppl from the community/thread for a role
Troll manager, already filled, that will be i.
-All comms through this thread please, make sure your gitHub username matches 2+2, all discussion limited to GitHub issues and this thread please because I enjoy being unprofessional everywhere else.

Personal Note
There are certain people within the online poker space who I really want to step up and help with this project, even if you fork it and build it under your own personal brand. A change is coming to online poker, be ready, if you have a stellar reputation and the technical know how, we need you. You know what you bring to the table. contribute and fork. Software development, VC, Startups are changing, opportunity of a lifetime in 2024-2025.

This thread; I will try to handle myself with class at all times in the thread, but please note I am a killer when it comes to trolling and I fly solo at all times.
\other threads; I will continue to be a spell check troll pun liner.

Much Love,
Tops

So they are essentially saying that 10 people can now build an Uber or an AirBnB or a Unicorn App. I think I can do it with less than 10 people. But the real question is, is it ethical to build a billion dollar company and not employ moar than 10 people??? Hmmmm... I think I'll make ppl pay me to work at my billion dollar company, because that's how valuable their CVs will be. Software Developer Eliteism... is changing.

Brainstorming
I've been using Bolt.new and Windsurf a tonne and I actually think this project is totally feasible, I'm not too worried about protecting the open source RNG currently given the lack of excitement in thread and this being picked up by technical programmers who love twoplustwo and remember the full tilt poker era. Whom still post.

The most sense it makes to me is to build this completely within the swift/Xcode ecosystem, leave what makes sense to "leave" on gitHub and go the App Store route for Mac and VR iOS platforms. And then code something downloadable client based with a shitty open source RNG for the non iOS ecosystem, integrating VR with MAC environments (one player pool) seems like it's going to be the most fun building.

Software development is effectively dead as of this current release of windsurf. All software engineers just got demoted to BAU testers and Debuggers, I'm soo glad I'm not a software developer in a big company right now.

Questions

• What was it that made Full Tilt soo good?
• The rakeback deal?
• The table sounds?
• The avartars
• or the artwork?
• High stakes railing?
• Or the advertising??????

Did I miss anything out? Looking forward to this thread getting momentum. I love that twoplustwo has such low traffic now, it makes me think that it's kinda de-evolving back into the 1998-2003 era, which I completely missed. Wish some of those posters would come back.

Please note: Color coding system for posting. Red = urgent. Amber = problem but it take some time. Green = solved it. Blue = just plain good documentation.

I can say that I'm a king of England, but it's not going to change reality. What they are saying in the video is basically promoting their product.

If you are serious about your project, I would recommend speaking to a software developer.

If this thread is for entertainment purposes, then we should move it to another forum, I guess. Not a lot of people are going to read it here.

you say come here, work for nothing but $10 a month, you'll be fed but you'll be fed what i tell you to eat and if you don't like it suck on it

sounds like a very compelling strategy to attract top talent

Fixed my own post

Its not easy running a poker client, a monthly burn of 300K, breaking even, software team who want to earn 100K-300K per annum EACH in the US/UK. Plus customer service. and the need to attract new money every month to cover rake/profit takers that leave the ecosystem.

Traditional route would need:-

• a huge budget
• a huge marketing budget
• a balls to break laws in different countries (which is what I personally am going strive to avoid, and super glad I live in the UK which is gambling friendly country)

I'm really not interested making runitonce2.0, we can put something together quickly but building what full tilt stood for marketing wise and usability wise is going to take time. Plus my vision for 1 million hands a month per player is going to be challenging managing a player pool DB and avoid lag.

Thanks. I've already spoken to a professor in the gaming industry about this project, he has worked on a poker platform, over 40 years experience in the gaming industry and is available once a month at $2500 per day to consult. I'm not paying that, would you like to?

I would say use Bolt.new or Codeium; Windsurf to build a MVP and then turn it into something production level. The software industry is changing hard and fast.

It is for my entertainment purposes but not a comedy show for 2p2. My entertainment in terms of I have a vision and I would like to go full field of dreams and build it.
I'm not interested in getting trolled really hard if thread moved somewhere higher traffic, so I think this is the right place for thread. Plus I'm not interested in using twoplustwo to shill this product if I just build it myself (without paying my dues). I honestly believe something open source is the way forward but if the right people don't notice the thread, then so be it.

But happy for you to move it when we actually have something that works to a more appropriate forum depending on if I build it myself or its open source. FWIW on the left hand side this forum is called "programming & software help" but when I look up I see "computer and technical help" so I understand where you're coming from.

Without being a rude, basically, Yep !
Contributors can buy their own food if they don't like it.
Free accommodation and free food and free office space in a co-working office is nothing to scoff at imo. This is aimed at people who believe in an open source poker project that hard they are willing to move to build it...after contributing a little and understanding this is a srs viable project. $10 to start with. I'm not going to raise funds to build this. And I may take this option away as the facilities I have available may not always be available. (FWIW google Gavin Wood and how etheruem started out, it was initially built from a squat)

Thanks, I hope we can reduce that 99% slowly. And C what happens. I'm not in a rush. It's a retirement project. I like zeros two.

This guy started a similar thread almost 20 years ago, probably some tips you can pick up from him and his wild success: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ome-casino-22/

Thanks but skipped to page 21, and can see it's not worth reading. If I get bored in the future and face a dilemma to possibly flick through it one day

if you think eth was started because someone posted about esports on a poker forum asking complete strangers to relocate to india and work for $10 a month then you severely misunderstood how that entire thing actually worked

Ok, lets be clear, there is no "you must move to india" to work on this project, if you're interested - then - open up the GitHub and work on it, if not move on. This is a nice caveat I've added to help developers who want time to pursue their passion, do you know how hard it is to pivot into the software developer industry and get experience on your CV?

FWIW ethereum started from a squat in London. There was passion to code and belief in the project fundamentals.

I've demonstrated that in this thread alone; I have passion to develop an open source poker medium where players decide the economics of the ecosystem. Pls bring some positive energy to this thread, someone. Otherwise I am happy to delete thread and just build it myself on swift for iOS. And it takes as long as it takes.

Warm Regards,
Tops

also people who respected and admired each other from their prior work

buterin was a very well respected developer with a lot of relevant experience, he wrote a white paper, he acquired crowd funding

he didn't tell people "hey take this meager bit of nothing and be happy about it or f off" he instead said "here's my idea, here's the initial funding for it, i am reaching out to you guys personally to act as partners with me to make this happen"

and it all came from someone who importantly, had done it before
you have not done this before, nor do you have any semblance of a coherent plan nor the funding to make it happen, nor even hinting at the possibility that anyone who joins will be doing so as a partner rather than a $10 month minion


you're coming in saying you're going to learn how to code via youtube videos and making it very clear to anyone who joins in that they'll get nothing out of it and that you are very likely an insufferable person to work with

Wow. Just wow.
Thanks for the motivation.