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Old 03-24-2017, 01:52 PM   #401
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Re: When will the Robot Apocalypse arrive?

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The tyranny of the boredom-bringers will eventually win-out, as it coincides with the trajectory of technological and moral progress.

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A re-evaluation of the above silliness is required. The trajectory of your logic is tangled up in blue.

You need to be drinking yak butter tea to clear your mind of its endless clutter and the tangled cobwebs of overthinking:

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Old 03-24-2017, 04:43 PM   #402
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Some people enjoy boring, stale, dull and predictable games. All the better for them.

The tyranny of the boredom-bringers will eventually win-out, as it coincides with the trajectory of technological and moral progress.

And then we'll simply: restart the game.

P.S. You'd enjoy the chicken medallions more after having been a contestant in the game of Survivor.
Don't worry. You and I won't be in the prediction business or privy to the predictions.

I'll discover what I want for dinner later this afternoon. Doesn't matter to me at all whether it can be predicted. I'll make this discovery at the appropriate time and not a moment beforehand.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:50 AM   #403
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Be sure to balance this with the knowledge that Marx often talks a lot of ssshhhiiittt.

According to Marx, communism only works under the condition that technology has replaced some arbitrary amount of human labor.

What does this mean?

That it may work today. That it may work tomorrow. That it may work in a year's time. That it may work in a decade's time. That it may work in a century's time. That it may work in a thousand years. That it may work...sometime?

Marx - prophetic be his middle name.
I'd rather take Groucho's advice than Karl's.
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Old 03-26-2017, 08:48 AM   #404
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Would you agree that a better functioning democracy generally results in better outcomes for the many?
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Would you agree that technology can enhance the functioning of democracy?
Can? Sure. Will? Is likely to? I don't think we have any basis for thinking so.
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Would you agree that enhanced scientific understanding amongst the masses is likely to improve consensus amongst societal members, with respect to societal issues?
No. "Are trannies mentally ill or should we pretend they're not and legally force all the non-mentally ill to bend their own reality to cater to their mental illness" is a question of values, not science.

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Would you agree that a future society with highly responsive and well-informed (scientific) democracy is more likely to be in consensus about societal issues?
No. Most social questions are value questions. Even the ones that aren't, both sides deny basic, well settled facts in order to push their particular values/desired society, or even because they're ignorant.

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I leave you with a quote from none other than Alan Watts, who as rightly described by Brian, has molested my mind:

"Despite the fact that more accidents happen in the home than elsewhere, increasing efficiency of communication and of controlling human behavior can, instead of liberating us into the air like birds, fix us to the ground like toadstools.

All information will come in by super-realistic television and other electronic devices as yet in the planning stage or barely imagined. In one way this will enable the individual to extend himself anywhere without moving his body - even to distant regions of space. But this will be a new kind of individual - an individual with a colossal external nervous system reaching out and out into infinity. And this electronic nervous system will be so interconnected that all individuals plugged in will tend to share the same thoughts, the same feelings, and the same experiences. There may be specialized types, just as there are specialized cells and organs in our bodies. For the tendency will be for all individuals to coalesce into a single bio-electronic body.

Consider the astonishing means now being made for snooping, the devices already used in offices, factories, stores, and on various lines of communication such as the mail and the telephone. Through the transistor and miniaturization techniques, these devices become ever more invisible and ever more sensitive to faint electrical impulses. The trend of all this is towards the end of individual privacy, to an extent where it may even be impossible to conceal one's thoughts.

At the end of the line, no one is left with a mind of his own: there is just a vast and complex community-mind, endowed perhaps, with such fantastic powers of control and prediction that it will already know its own future for years and years to come
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I enjoy you bringing new ideas here, but from this quote, Alan Watts sounds like a cuck with a poverty of imagination, that's causing him to become overly attached to his particular imagining of what things will be thing will be like.
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Old 03-26-2017, 10:31 PM   #405
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Re: When will the Robot Apocalypse arrive?

It is good that you disagree and have your own views on science-fiction.

Nevertheless, perhaps you ought to read more and post less for a while. Ascribing Watts, of all writers, with 'poverty of imagination' is telling.
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Old 03-26-2017, 11:00 PM   #406
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Thanks for the advice. It is obvious this clown has a poverty of imagination. He is offering an incredibly narrow and unimaginative view of humanity's future.
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All information will come in by super-realistic television and other electronic devices as yet in the planning stage or barely imagined. In one way this will enable the individual to extend himself anywhere without moving his body - even to distant regions of space.
Not really. Apart from it not being real, the main criticism here is that the real world will become incredibly boring. As the technology here grows, people will enter virtual worlds that are far more interesting than this one. Basically, living out movies and games and fantastically interesting interactive lives in simulated worlds.
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But this will be a new kind of individual - an individual with a colossal external nervous system reaching out and out into infinity. And this electronic nervous system will be so interconnected that all individuals plugged in will tend to share the same thoughts, the same feelings, and the same experiences.
See this is where he becomes an obvious cuck with a poverty of imagination. If anything, we are likely diverge more and more in our experiences of life, as virtual reality takes hold, and we choose to explore those aspects and virtual lives we find most interesting. This is happening already on the tiniest of scales; look at how technology is isolating us into particular partisan news views, entertainment choices, thought bubbles.
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There may be specialized types, just as there are specialized cells and organs in our bodies. For the tendency will be for all individuals to coalesce into a single bio-electronic body.
Yawn. The guy is a major bore.
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Consider the astonishing means now being made for snooping, the devices already used in offices, factories, stores, and on various lines of communication such as the mail and the telephone. Through the transistor and miniaturization techniques, these devices become ever more invisible and ever more sensitive to faint electrical impulses. The trend of all this is towards the end of individual privacy, to an extent where it may even be impossible to conceal one's thoughts.
This is just more idiocy from a guy who's not that bright. There will never be external technology that can read thoughts. Mood perhaps, but that's about it. And it's not going to be cameras/external devices that will give clues to our thoughts. It'll be our deliberate plugging in to virtual worlds, where we're fed information streams.

The most likely setup is one like we have today - privacy if we want it, monitoring when we go online. As long as populaces control governments, that is likely to be true, despite the fantastical thinking of people who aren't very bright, like your friend here.
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At the end of the line, no one is left with a mind of his own: there is just a vast and complex community-mind, endowed perhaps, with such fantastic powers of control and prediction that it will already know its own future for years and years to come."
Confirmed dickhead.
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Old 03-26-2017, 11:14 PM   #407
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There is a lot of anger in you. I hope you find time, if not to read, at least to consider more closely how you feel day-to-day, and why. Honesty applied to others' views and emotions is one thing. Applied to your own, is another.
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Old 03-26-2017, 11:49 PM   #408
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There is a lot of anger in you. I hope you find time, if not to read, at least to consider more closely how you feel day-to-day, and why. Honesty applied to others' views and emotions is one thing. Applied to your own, is another.
Thanks for the advice. I could respond in kind:
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Perhaps you ought to do more and read less for a while?

But unlike Zeno I don't believe you overthink - I think overthinking is healthy when you're in your late teens. It sets up a rich network of familiar ideas for later in life.

So by all means carry on being you. But please recognize that your hero is an idiot, at least as far as it relates to futurism (to be fair, futurism makes idiots of lots of people).
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:26 AM   #409
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Re: When will the Robot Apocalypse arrive?

I know this may not help but there was a philosopher (poet?) of the 19th century who had great fear for mankind. He observed that the "head" or "abstracted intellect" had become so powerful that he could see the human being as a large ball with appendages filament like, such that if he would roll from one place to another due to disuse atrophy of his(mankind's) other capabilities; man, lost in space.

Professor Watts and all the apologists for the "machine" are the "head" people as the machine is the apotheosis of a glacial head borne activity. the machine presents the final "death" aspect of human meanderings as "life" is not spoken to, only one sided behavior.

To put it clearer the machine is the consequence of an illness to which mankind needs remedy. Understanding the end of life and the beginnings of life is the work of man consciously and unconsciously, each to his own path.

Man dies and we speak of immortality (save for a few materialists,very few) but who speaks to "birth" or the fact of "unbornness" ? The appeal to egotism is ensconced on our approach to immortality whereas if we approach and comprehend "birth" an air of "selflessness" is the natural consequence.

We only care about the coming "death" but what the hey, we're living so who cares about where we come from; the natural setting for "selflesness", no ax to grind.

Cliff notes: only "head", egotism and an ersatz immortality and of course "machines".

The "heart" or "life" or "unbornness' within a comprehensive selflesness.

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Old 03-27-2017, 02:36 PM   #410
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I know this may not help but there was a philosopher (poet?) of the 19th century .....



Cliff notes: only "head", egotism and an ersatz immortality and of course "machines".

The "heart" or "life" or "unbornness' within a comprehensive selflesness.
To be clear, machines are here to stay, nor must we run away from them . the materialist scientist is the road to the future as if he is observing properly he will note the undercurrent of supersibility within his findings and be able to scientize properly.

The so called scientific thinkers who leave the earth and drum on into world ends have to brought to question . Materiality is always with us in some form, not necessarily as present, but will display a transformative effect.

yada,yada,yada
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Old 03-27-2017, 05:00 PM   #411
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I'm willing to throw all caution to the wind and support a super AI just to tell me what the **** that means.
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:33 PM   #412
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I'm willing to throw all caution to the wind and support a super AI just to tell me what the **** that means.
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Old 03-28-2017, 05:29 AM   #413
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It means what it is.
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Old 03-31-2017, 11:26 AM   #414
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It is good that you disagree and have your own views on science-fiction.

Nevertheless, perhaps you ought to read more and post less for a while. Ascribing Watts, of all writers, with 'poverty of imagination' is telling.
Watts pegged his lessor critics well before his lessor critics even tried to peg him. Which inspires the sound of an Alan Watt's cackle in my imagination.
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Old 03-31-2017, 11:29 AM   #415
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I'm willing to throw all caution to the wind and support a super AI just to tell me what the **** that means.
It seems that nowadays AI just means statistics.
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:24 PM   #416
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Old 04-02-2017, 01:43 PM   #417
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's quite a graph. A more rigorous scale is needed.

The statistical data it is based on would be an interesting thing to review. Anyway, I think Time vs Number of Surfboards Manufactured in Siberia would be more useful.

That graph should probably go into the OED; under Gibberish.
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Old 04-03-2017, 09:18 PM   #418
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It is good that you disagree and have your own views on science-fiction.

Nevertheless, perhaps you ought to read more and post less for a while. Ascribing Watts, of all writers, with 'poverty of imagination' is telling.
speaking of "telling" and "lack of imagination", the random and inappropriate use of the word "cuck" there seems pretty telling to me and I would bet money this is the work of a trump supporter
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:43 AM   #419
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Is it poor observation or have Trump supporters become just as opinionated as SJWs?

I miss the time when they could only string together four word sentences like: they're taking our jobs!

Now they have opinions about the economy and about science. This isn't even their final form.
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You guys are hilarious. Physics graduate, trader, avid reader, world traveler, intellectual interest in nearly everything, all precede me being a Trump supporter. In fact, intellectual curiosity and being well traveled and well acquainted with philosophy are why I am a Trump supporter. Without intellectual curiosity I'd have the same view of him that the mass media does.

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speaking of "telling" and "lack of imagination", the random and inappropriate use of the word "cuck" there seems pretty telling to me and I would bet money this is the work of a trump supporter
That's some top notch detective work/rational thinking there, Sun Tzu. I would bet money you may have read The Art of War. I'm guessing you might even quote it to people!
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I'm curious about Hitler.
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Will there ever be a machine Hitler...or?

Odds of machine Hitler?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

If you're merely stating that you're curious about Hitler, why? The man seems fairly uninteresting.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:30 AM   #423
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A guy that stupid messing up so much. And he had six letters in his name, not a handful.
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You guys are hilarious. Physics graduate, trader, avid reader, world traveler, intellectual interest in nearly everything, all precede me being a Trump supporter. In fact, intellectual curiosity and being well traveled and well acquainted with philosophy are why I am a Trump supporter. Without intellectual curiosity I'd have the same view of him that the mass media does.


That's some top notch detective work/rational thinking there, Sun Tzu. I would bet money you may have read The Art of War. I'm guessing you might even quote it to people!
Trump is the living embodiment of the concept of a con-man/confidence-man. He makes you feel confident. That's what he's good at. Thats what all good CEOs are good at. Those on the right are a most fitting target, as they haven't felt confident in some time.
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P.s. in a few days I'm coming up the east coast to Byron Bay for the Blues Festival. If you're staying in the area up there Mr. physics graduate, happy to grab some beers and introduce you to my sexy, blond housemates. Just don't bring up Trump...women are allergic to him. They're also allergic to political talk because they're blond and have assets in demand....and....

because they know better.

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