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01-13-2023 , 04:50 PM
What country in the world treats its citizens the most fairly?
Where they have the most human rights and the least fear of people getting away with doing bad things to them?
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01-13-2023 , 04:54 PM
Switzerland.
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01-13-2023 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
Switzerland.
Looks like they red some philosophy before they wrote their laws.

Maybe the most just "place" is in the forest with your dog. As long as no humans come around that is....

Maybe its a forest in Switzerland
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01-13-2023 , 06:58 PM
They're not big on feminism, though. High gender pay gap, and women didn't get the vote until 1971.
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01-14-2023 , 06:33 AM
Monaco
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01-14-2023 , 08:29 AM
Antarctica
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01-14-2023 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
Monaco
I've been to Monaco and I wouldn't say it feels like a just place at all. It feels like a playground for the super rich to vacation.
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01-14-2023 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
Antarctica
If you killed someone in antarctica you would probably get away with it and not face any sort of recourse because its so empty.
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01-14-2023 , 10:42 AM
Vatican City
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01-14-2023 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
Vatican City
I've been there too. It felt like there was terrible abuse going on inside of there.
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01-14-2023 , 06:46 PM
The land of Nether
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01-14-2023 , 09:57 PM
Land before time is a great movie iirc
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01-16-2023 , 03:27 AM
Liechtenstein
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01-16-2023 , 04:31 AM
North Korea obviously
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01-16-2023 , 07:21 AM
USA
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03-16-2023 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
Switzerland.
Militarily they are a neutral country, so it's definetly not them.

You find your true friends on the battle field.

In fact, Switzerland turned away Jews during WW2 to certain slaughter.
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03-18-2023 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
What country in the world treats its citizens the most fairly?
Where they have the most human rights and the least fear of people getting away with doing bad things to them?
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Originally Posted by ShoeMakerLevy9
USA
Surely not, right. I mean, it could be, but only by process of elimination. The U.S. has a lot of room for improvement.

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news...united-states/

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International statistics from 2006 show that the United States has an incarceration rate of 738 per 100,000 population, the highest rate of incarceration in the world. Approximately 2.3 million persons are incarcerated in the United States as of October 2006, which is a far higher number, by almost a million, than any other nation in the world, accounting for about one quarter of the world’s incarcerated population. [graphic omitted]

Put another way, our incarceration rate is more than five times that of Europe, Canada, Australia, or Japan.
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It has been estimated that in the United States today, there are approximately 750 thousand individuals incarcerated for victimless crimes, as well as 3 million on parole or probation. Approximately 4 million are arrested each year for victimless crimes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_..._United_States

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According to The Washington Post, federal asset forfeiture in 2014 accounted for over $5 billion going into Justice and Treasury Department coffers, while in comparison, official statistics show that the amount stolen from citizens by burglars during that same year was a mere $3.5 billion.
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Critics argue that innocent owners can become entangled in the process to the extent that their 4th Amendment and 5th Amendment rights are violated, in situations where they are presumed guilty instead of being presumed innocent.
https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/...index-2022.pdf

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The Human Freedom Index 2022
Rank | Freedom rank change (2019–2020) | Country/Territory | Personal freedom | Economic freedom | Human freedom | Freedom score change (2019–2020)

1 0 Switzerland 9.35 8.37 8.94 ▼ 0.23
2 0 New Zealand 9.09 8.27 8.75 ▼ 0.29
3 ▲ 2 Estonia 9.28 7.95 8.73 ▼ 0.21
4 ▼ 1 Denmark 9.17 8.09 8.72 ▼ 0.29
5 ▼ 1 Ireland 9.30 7.86 8.70 ▼ 0.25
6 ▲ 1 Sweden 9.45 7.56 8.66 ▼ 0.19
7 ▲ 3 Iceland 9.29 7.73 8.64 ▼ 0.20
8 ▼ 2 Finland 9.33 7.64 8.62 ▼ 0.25
9 ▲ 4 Netherlands 9.12 7.75 8.55 ▼ 0.25
10 ▼ 3 Luxembourg 9.23 7.54 8.53 ▼ 0.32
11 0 Australia 8.85 8.04 8.51 ▼ 0.32
11 ▲ 1 Norway 9.17 7.58 8.51 ▼ 0.30
13 ▼ 6 Canada 8.95 7.81 8.47 ▼ 0.38
14 ▼ 1 Taiwan 8.98 7.68 8.44 ▼ 0.36
15 ▲ 7 Latvia 8.89 7.77 8.42 ▼ 0.20
16 0 Japan 8.80 7.82 8.39 ▼ 0.36
17 ▲ 2 Lithuania 8.71 7.82 8.34 ▼ 0.38
18 ▲ 5 Czech Republic 8.75 7.75 8.33 ▼ 0.28
18 0 Germany 8.81 7.65 8.33 ▼ 0.40
20 ▼ 5 United Kingdom 8.72 7.71 8.30 ▼ 0.49
21 ▲ 3 Belgium 8.92 7.37 8.27 ▼ 0.28
22 ▼ 1 Austria 8.76 7.56 8.26 ▼ 0.42
23 ▼ 7 United States 8.42 7.97 8.23 ▼ 0.52
The U.S. ranks 23rd on the Human Freedom Index. Higher than most countries of course, but there are many above it. Even arguing that changes in the weights and definitions could bring the U.S. higher, it's unlikely that it would be #1 by any objective system. There may be other reasons to prefer living the U.S., of course, than freedom and justice.

I'm not sure how to measure the second part of OP's definition: "the least fear of people getting away with doing bad things to them".

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Originally Posted by Maximus122
Militarily they are a neutral country, so it's definetly not them.

You find your true friends on the battle field.

In fact, Switzerland turned away Jews during WW2 to certain slaughter.
By OP's definition, none of this matters. I would argue that neutrality is a better way to keep your own citizens safe, than to get embroiled in other's conflicts.
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03-26-2023 , 02:06 AM
Correlation with richest. Id assume... per capita



edit: controlling for religious influence?... now im curious (I guess per capita is just a total number divided by population) so I mean whatever term would state the highest wealth expectation of a random member of a population...

Last edited by drowkcableps; 03-26-2023 at 02:34 AM.
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03-26-2023 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ShoeMakerLevy9
USA
So, the nation that incarcerates the highest percentage of its citizens fits your definition of justice? I guess that's worth debating.
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05-07-2023 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TimM
Surely not, right. I mean, it could be, but only by process of elimination. The U.S. has a lot of room for improvement.

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news...united-states/





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_..._United_States





https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/...index-2022.pdf

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The Human Freedom Index 2022
Rank | Freedom rank change (2019–2020) | Country/Territory | Personal freedom | Economic freedom | Human freedom | Freedom score change (2019–2020)

1 0 Switzerland 9.35 8.37 8.94 ▼ 0.23
2 0 New Zealand 9.09 8.27 8.75 ▼ 0.29
3 ▲ 2 Estonia 9.28 7.95 8.73 ▼ 0.21
4 ▼ 1 Denmark 9.17 8.09 8.72 ▼ 0.29
5 ▼ 1 Ireland 9.30 7.86 8.70 ▼ 0.25
6 ▲ 1 Sweden 9.45 7.56 8.66 ▼ 0.19
7 ▲ 3 Iceland 9.29 7.73 8.64 ▼ 0.20
8 ▼ 2 Finland 9.33 7.64 8.62 ▼ 0.25
9 ▲ 4 Netherlands 9.12 7.75 8.55 ▼ 0.25
10 ▼ 3 Luxembourg 9.23 7.54 8.53 ▼ 0.32
11 0 Australia 8.85 8.04 8.51 ▼ 0.32
11 ▲ 1 Norway 9.17 7.58 8.51 ▼ 0.30
13 ▼ 6 Canada 8.95 7.81 8.47 ▼ 0.38
14 ▼ 1 Taiwan 8.98 7.68 8.44 ▼ 0.36
15 ▲ 7 Latvia 8.89 7.77 8.42 ▼ 0.20
16 0 Japan 8.80 7.82 8.39 ▼ 0.36
17 ▲ 2 Lithuania 8.71 7.82 8.34 ▼ 0.38
18 ▲ 5 Czech Republic 8.75 7.75 8.33 ▼ 0.28
18 0 Germany 8.81 7.65 8.33 ▼ 0.40
20 ▼ 5 United Kingdom 8.72 7.71 8.30 ▼ 0.49
21 ▲ 3 Belgium 8.92 7.37 8.27 ▼ 0.28
22 ▼ 1 Austria 8.76 7.56 8.26 ▼ 0.42
23 ▼ 7 United States 8.42 7.97 8.23 ▼ 0.52
The U.S. ranks 23rd on the Human Freedom Index. Higher than most countries of course, but there are many above it. Even arguing that changes in the weights and definitions could bring the U.S. higher, it's unlikely that it would be #1 by any objective system. There may be other reasons to prefer living the U.S., of course, than freedom and justice.

I'm not sure how to measure the second part of OP's definition: "the least fear of people getting away with doing bad things to them".



By OP's definition, none of this matters. I would argue that neutrality is a better way to keep your own citizens safe, than to get embroiled in other's conflicts.

To see my country ranked that high makes me dismiss this index outright.

The happiness index is more appropriate.

Thinking about incarceration rate for a minute. The amount of people that aren't in prison here but should be is through the roof.

And so on.

I can't break the speed limit. I can't find a nude beach not that I'm into that. I can't do anything without offending someone is my point. We had the toughest COVID laws in Europe to boot.
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