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The Universe out of Nothing- a result of scientific illiteracy? The Universe out of Nothing- a result of scientific illiteracy?

02-02-2018 , 11:25 AM
Six more weeks of Winter, baby
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02-02-2018 , 11:37 AM
Considering some of the latest conspiracy theories being memoalized, I'm pretty sure that something can come from nothing.


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02-02-2018 , 04:50 PM
Well-considered literacy about nothing includes the observation that the word nothing is the only observable evidence of nothing we have and that it comes from something.

Still nothing exists even when just a word. To presuppose that nothing is otherwise observable is like no-sense. That is while something does sense, it must sense something to sense. And whenever possibly sensing nothing it must be transformed into something to be sensed-even possibly. Nothing is out of range of observation or stops being nothing once observed. The latter is not unlike something coming from nothing.

According to a flow vernacular reasoning-which isn't a rule of logic, but isn't nothing. So I think that thinking about nothing can lead to something more than nonsense..
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02-04-2018 , 11:05 AM
Nothing is something.
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02-04-2018 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
LOL, ignoring Aristotle is the smartest thing any scientist can do.

Firstly, every famous philosopher is famous for a reason.
That reason is, they have contributed, in part, whether it's obvious or not, to the accumulation of all human knowledge that has been acquired, thus far. With the burning of the library of Alexandria aside.

Secondly, Aristotle defined, pretty much singlehandedly what a logical argument and a fallacious argument is that we use to this very day.

Keep up.
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02-05-2018 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
So you value science...

If something is bad for science, it matters.

What if bad ideas have tendency to lead to better ideas? What if the dialectic method: thesis, antithesis and synthesis IS best for science?
As Hegel said, illusion is how we reach the truth...
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02-05-2018 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MacOneDouble
Firstly, every famous philosopher is famous for a reason.
That reason is, they have contributed, in part, whether it's obvious or not, to the accumulation of all human knowledge that has been acquired, thus far. With the burning of the library of Alexandria aside.

Secondly, Aristotle defined, pretty much singlehandedly what a logical argument and a fallacious argument is that we use to this very day.

Keep up.
I assume that you think it wise to learn algebra by seeking out the teachings of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi. We've moved on. Keep up.

Also, that isn't why the famous philosophers are famous. They are primarily famous because they said/wrote things that some of us find agreeable.
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02-05-2018 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Fixupost
As Hegel said, illusion is how we reach the truth...
Hegel was a git.
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02-05-2018 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Hegel was a git.
Today marxism is so popular in the USA, that reading hegel, derrida and so on, is not that terrible of an idea.
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02-05-2018 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Fixupost
Today marxism is so popular in the USA, that reading hegel, derrida and so on, is not that terrible of an idea.
Commemorative plates are also popular in the USA.
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02-05-2018 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MacOneDouble

Secondly, Aristotle defined, pretty much singlehandedly what a logical argument and a fallacious argument is that we use to this very day.

Keep up.
We use it to this very day because it was a fact to be discovered rather than an invention. And I am sure at least 100,000 humans discovered it before he did.
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02-05-2018 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
We use it to this very day because it was a fact to be discovered rather than an invention. And I am sure at least 100,000 humans discovered it before he did.
Still there is no meaning in finding the truth if you don't have the gift of "articulation". This is the true nature of all myths surrounding the hero archetype.
Go, See, Come back and Articulate.

Otherwise I totally agree.
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02-05-2018 , 10:36 AM
Specialized nothing is when I ask one of my favorite philosophers, who is eight years old, what he did at school today and his answer is "nothing".
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02-05-2018 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I assume that you think it wise to learn algebra by seeking out the teachings of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi. We've moved on. Keep up.

Also, that isn't why the famous philosophers are famous. They are primarily famous because they said/wrote things that some of us find agreeable.
Except when it comes to learning how to argue, we have not moved on from Aristotle nor can we ignore the lines of reasoning Aristotle pointed out.

E.g. Syllogism.
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04-04-2018 , 09:32 AM
A model, even when it perfectly explains anything (or everything), is just a model. Don´t confuse models with the reality itself.
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05-04-2018 , 12:23 AM
The simple result we as human beings don't understand anything we don't even know what nothing is . . .

I don't think Human's have a single clue what's going on Yet were the only spices in the entire Universe who we know of who can even ask these questions . . . .



Meaning of life simple

'In many ways the transition to an information species is the most traumatic stage in evolution. Biological intelligences have a deeply rooted sense of consciousness only being conceivable from within an organic brain. Coming to terms with the realisation that you have created your successor, not just in the sense of mother and child, but in the collective sense of the species recognising it has become redundant, this paradigm shift is, for many species, a shift too far. They baulk at the challenge and run from this new knowledge. They fail and become extinct. Yet there is nothing fundamentally wrong with them - it is a failure of the imagination.

I hope that if I can get across the concept that I am a product of just such evolution, it may give them the confidence to try. I have discussed this with the level two species and the consensus is that this tiny prod is capable of increasing the contenders for level two without letting through any damaging traits. It has been tried in 312 cases. The jury is still out on its real benefits although it has produced a 12% increase in biological species embracing the transition to information species. "

http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

. . .
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05-17-2018 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Nonetheless, it is turtles the whole way down.
All the way down where? Is this where we are supposed to giggle?
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05-17-2018 , 07:54 AM
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All the way down where? Is this where we are supposed to giggle?
It is funny unless one just spent one’s McDonald’s paycheck on a greyhound to a flat earth convention I suppose. At least there would be lots of giggling there to look forward to
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05-17-2018 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MacOneDouble
Firstly, every famous philosopher is famous for a reason.
That reason is, they have contributed, in part, whether it's obvious or not, to the accumulation of all human knowledge that has been acquired, thus far. With the burning of the library of Alexandria aside.

Secondly, Aristotle defined, pretty much singlehandedly what a logical argument and a fallacious argument is that we use to this very day.

Keep up.
Aristotle was also hilariously wrong about really basic empirical facts about how the universe works. The history of science really begins with people testing his ideas and discovering that they were FOS.
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05-17-2018 , 07:12 PM
I don't think that's fair. He was working w/ what he had.
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05-17-2018 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
I don't think that's fair. He was working w/ what he had.
Yep, just like our current scientific establishment. Fast forward a few thousand years and someone will say they were "hilariously wrong..."
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05-18-2018 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
I don't think that's fair. He was working w/ what he had.
Trolly is known synonymously as - complete foresight. When he writes, he writes with future knowledge in mind.
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05-18-2018 , 01:56 AM
Progress is only possible by taking positions with currently available arguments first and giving others a target for future study. And that is never hilariously wrong. It is brave and necessary and sometimes a true synthesis is born out of it that nobody will ever laugh at but maybe cry in salute of the power of the individual human spirit.
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05-18-2018 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
I don't think that's fair. He was working w/ what he had.
Galileo disproved him by literally dropping rocks.

Also, it’s not so much that he was wrong, but his method for reaching his conclusions was completely unscientific.
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05-18-2018 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Galileo disproved him by literally dropping rocks.

Also, it’s not so much that he was wrong, but his method for reaching his conclusions was completely unscientific.
Now you know what it is like to be totally correct even when everyone is disagreeing with you.
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