If free will + determinism are both true then this is my argument: the more data I have on you the less free will you have.

So you're saying that by observing and recording my patterns, my patterns become predicted or predictable and "usable" by some other entity? If that were possible, an evil entity could then set up scenarios that walk you though any sequence of life events to get to a desired outcome, be it fame, suicide, anything maybe? Kinda like inception but in real life? Assuming they had enough data?

No, that's not the way it works. BUT they could greatly increase your chances of committing suicide, for example, however, if they wanted. They being some entity with the sum of the data from your life at their disposal and wanting to **** with you because they don't like your hair.

The tech giants concluded long ago that people are highly predictable.

This will sound a little far out but I have always had the suspicion that targeted adverts are a useful front business to generate capital, for now, but the real value of data as a commodity is more sinister in nature and which will rear it's head once these corporations lose power, which they will do.

I'm not saying there is an evil conspiracy theory, that was masterminded by free agents. I'm saying that there's a possibility of one, due to technological determinism and the choices that then will have to be made.

I don't think that this evil entity or whatever you want to calls wins out. I'm optimistic actually, except there will be casualties even, if this conspiracy theory is false. I'm sure sextortion victims have took their lives for example.

I can imagine those upper type people (Epstineish people) manipulating them into suicide. I dont want to imagine living that life. That would be murder if it was found out to have took place? And attempted murder if found to have took place but failed? I would hope at least.

The love of money is the root of all evil. Money is power. Knowledge is power. Always follow the money.
I can imagine many hypotheticals where a suicide may be a plus EV move. But the justice system is based upon free will so suicide will always be suicide and never homicide.

Try to imagine that you are the husband of a struggling family of 8 children. You're wife has decided to leave you and raise the kids by herself because you have been physically abusive with both her and them because that's how you're father showed you was the right way to raise a family. Bill gates walks up to you and says "I'll give each of your children an after-school private tutor from now till they graduate highschool, and once they do graduate highschool, a full scholarship to whatever college they want, with free room, board, tuition, food, and bills for each semester they keep a 3.0 gpa or above" ...... "but only if you kill yourself."

Imagine this, a sexual predator gets ahold of everyones data and starts filtering based on certain key factors. Sex, signs of abuse, income, age, etc etc to find a perfect target. The predator could also learn the targets tastes, desires, interests, etc and become irresistible to the target.

Maybe. Maybe in a working democracy, deception and allowing justice to get away are the only evils that remain. Who knows.

I'll leave imagining threats such as these to the paranoid-schizophrenic.

Also, reality is interesting enough. How about we stick to something a little more rational.

The type of sextorion I meant there and which is becoming somewhat of an industry lately is when someone has, three things of yours: Nude images or videos. Your phone number. Your Facebook profile.

daaaaang bro thats an aggressive label for someone who imagines threats!
do you want to talk about something?
like your father?

Sexual predators have always had a heightened sense for people who would make easy victims. Sexual predators are already using social media, OSINT, and data leaks/breaches to find victims.

What exactly is this more sinister theory? How do you think big tech will use their user's data if targeted ads lose profitability?

I can only speculate, which I like to do.


I believe many believe in their heart of hearts, that it just might not be wise, that google, apple and Microsoft know virtually everything about them.

Couple this with the notion of web3 coming to fruition and you have the makings of a decent dystopian sci-fi premise with some imagination.

There could be a lot of sci fy movies to be made on this speculation

If Justice were alive would she use unethically-sourced data to do her calling? What if Injustice were alive? Would he use unethically-sourced data to do his calling? If you are trying to help one of these two people, one of them needs ethically sourced non-deceived help. The other will take any help from any place he can get it.