I don't see the implication, and don't anyway understand the second sentence. The same as what? (As each other? As I treat them?...)

I've got to get out of this place. I'm living in the middle of gangland and didn't even realize it. 2 people were murdered right across the street, in a place I walk right past every day, and even late at night. I can easily afford a super nice place, but I never bothered to move because I never saw a compelling reason to. This place was convenient when I bought it, and it wasn't such a ****hole like it is now. With the downturn in the economy, almost every home around me went to foreclosure, and all the wrong people moved in as renters. My property value is probably half of what it was a few years ago. I'm so out of place here. I feel like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino.

You want:

not


but?

lol

they robbed almost* everyone around me in the last 5 years except me and an opposite flat afaik. gotta love those reinforced doors with fake alarm stickers

*I don't have an exact count but last week neighbor down below got hit the second time

of course me parading in suits every day doesn't help me. Just waiting to get mobbed on the street....

You want self-representation to not be a factor. The only way that can happen is if what people think of you is not affected by how you act or what you say.

loved this part,

shhhh...

the fake part is a secret...

Just leave your doors standing wide open. Then everyone thinks you're home.

Hello anybody home? Anyone there? I am coming in to use your phone for an emergency, are you there? Ok i am entering...hello? Anyone there?

3 hours later... Hm what on earth happened to my desk and where is the laptop? Honey did you lock the door this morning?


Ps: if you leave the doors open make sure you leave TV playing too preferably in a news station so that you know it will always be active and never enter a very silent period. That of course doesnt mean your TV will be still playing when you get back...Its just probabilities.

I want dishonest self-representation to not be a factor.

That would have pretty bad consequences.

It is nice that smaller people can puff themselves up so they don't get beat up as much. It is nice that I can appear to be Christian during a Christian funeral service.

It is nice that we can bluff to avoid being taken advantage of by someone who is more willing to act horribly. It is quite nice that we can misrepresent our opinion of others when it would be hurtful to do otherwise. It is nice that you can be dishonest if stating what you thought would be harmful to yourself. It is nice that you can lie to your grandmother about your sexual life.

Italian nun becomes pop star sensation:

http://news.yahoo.com/italian-nun-be...154533341.html

From above link:


Rome (AFP) - A Catholic nun has become an overnight pop sensation after stunning the jury of Italy's "The Voice" television talent show with her version of the Alicia Keys song "No One".

Sister Christina Scuccia, a 25-year-old Sicilian, bopped about on the stage in her black habit and a large cross necklace on Wednesday night's show, sparking wild cheers from the audience and stunned reactions from the four judges.

The nun, who has an easy smile and is a member of the Ursuline Sisters of the Holy Family, said: "I came here because I have a gift, and I want to share that gift." One of the judges, Italian rapper J-Ax, said he was "moved to tears."

She said she had been inspired to go on the show by Pope Francis, who "told us to come out" of our convents and spread the word of God.

Asked by judge Raffaella Carra what the Vatican thinks about her going on a talent show, she quipped: "I'm waiting for a call from the pope!"

Scuccia decided to become a nun after playing the part of a saint in a comic musical in 2007, according to Italian media reports.

The video of her performance has gone viral in Italy, with even the Vatican's minister of culture Gianfranco Ravasi tweeting his admiration.

"If I had heard you sing in mass when I was young, I'd be pope by now," J-Ax said, to the audience's delight.
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Life is good. I'm going to toast that nun with a slug of single-malt Scotch and wish her well and Godspeed.

For all of you who miss chezlaw: saw him in Politics (you know which thread)

I accept that I am likely presenting a naive and self-defeating world view, but I don't find your examples convincing. They involve competing factors, such as self-defence, privacy and not hurting others' feelings.

I am more interested in cases such as your earlier advertising examples, i.e. dishonestly exploiting others purely for personal gain. How would society be weakened if this were outlawed?

Right, i had checked on him couple months ago to see if he was ok and i noticed he was active elsewhere so i decided it was some resolution or prop bet or job commitment lol but recognizing politics is <SMP it likely is just a prop bet or a statement to all of us hahaha. Wonder what is going on though! Sometimes people can feel betrayed when treated badly or while observing patterns they dislike that are inferior of a place they loved and offer with their absence the real statement. I am curious.

He probably only gets an hour of computer time at the asylum.

Last I heard, he was going to Australia to watch England retain the Ashes.

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Had to do some research. This is the last post for now in this forum by chezlaw: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/47...l#post41088771. Not very many months ago.

Those were the times. I think I haven't so far taken that long a break from any of my main forums SMP, ATF or O8. But wait, felt I had to take about an one year break from poker, then I only did some occasional "hello there" posts in O8. In ATF is a guy who almost was thought to be lost forever, now he's one of the most active posters again.

Personally, having a longer break from SMP would be a surprise to myself. I think I always have, and always will be, interested in what's up with science, a variety of fields. Only reading for yourself plus what work has to offer isn't enough.

More gossip: ganstaman is a mod. Congrats!

/psychology/forum-needs-moderator

There are always competing factors. In every case of "not hurting others' feelings" and "privacy" I gave above there is a very strong selfish motivation. You are not lying for the benefit of others, you are lying so that they accept you. It is pure manipulation so that you can do what you want to do and be who you want to be when such things are against the will of others.

Grandma doesn't want you to be a slut. The Christians want you to be Christian (especially at funerals). The woman wants you to think she is the most beautiful woman in the world. Your boss wants you to be diligent enough for you to leave in time (the famous "I'm stuck in traffic" defense).

You are protecting none of them! You are deceiving them about who you are so you can continue to act as you wish without them being mean to you! Pure unadulterated selfishness. If you weren't just being selfish, you'd wait until you were married, become a Christian, not have a wandering eye and leave for work on time instead of just lying.

In the self-defense ones, the selfish motivation is absolutely clear.

Even in your statement above, you are telling a half-truth, I think. You don't really 'accept' what you say you accept.

We do have laws against certain types of bothersome lying.

We also have the normal social repercussions, such as people saying that so-and-so is a liar, or shaming the person to their face. If you tell a bald-faced lie and are caught people act mean.

We really can't afford to do much more than that. First, most deception has some plausible deniability built into them - we can't really outlaw self-deception and confabulation. Second, we certainly can't wander around fact-checking every statement people make. Third, we have a natural understanding (the self-deception you pulled off above with "protecting the feelings of others" above is the same as "boys enjoy looking at pretty things" that the girl putting on makeup says to herself) that some amount of shading of the truth is acceptable.

Fourth, and this is the big one so it gets its own paragraph, everyone lies. We can't go around outlawing lying anymore than we can outlaw having legs.

mostly to themselves....

Without wishing to be rude, I think these examples might say more about you than they do me. I am not by nature promiscuous, and am compulsively punctual. I also do not consider acting with respect at a religious ceremony as pretending to be religious.

I said I accepted the likelihood of something. Part of me (probably some juvenile hangover part) does not accept that thing. I worded it cautiously enough for it not to be dishonest, I think.

An example of when I am dishonest is when people ask me how I am, just so as not to be too much of a weirdo.

If dishonesty is so commonplace and necessary for the functioning of society, as you claim, then why do we have these repercussions?

Does anyone do studies / science on random stuff? For instance someone told me this morning that I shouldnt clean my glasses with a paper towel b/c its a wood product and any wood product is bad to use on glass. All I could think was that I'd like to read that study.

I have little knowledge of where you are coming from, so I'm not entirely sure how to respond, or what tone to take to help make things clearer.

"Without wishing to be rude"?!? That is one of the very common lies people tell. What it means is, "I am being rude because I disapprove and want to distance myself from you, but I'd like you to pretend that you are not offended." It is just a more elegantly worded "just saying" or "no offense, but." http://www.npr.org/2010/12/18/132160...pid-just-sayin

(I wasn't offended, by the way. My grandma wanted my to be a gigolo, I work from home, etc.)

Anyway, the examples were given as easy-to-understand common examples and following up on them. I'm sure that you have sufficient imagination to internally supply examples from yourself and those around you:

Someone who is happily promiscuous and knows that grandma doesn't like promiscuity = Someone who is happily XXXXXX and knows that YYYYYY doesn't like XXXXXX.

I will take issue with your "I also do not consider" part. You are absolutely misrepresenting yourself in the situation.

You worded it quite politely, which is a social nicety that manipulates my feelings toward wanting to explain things nicely and as well as possible. I do have very strong doubts that you think your "naïve and self-defeating view" (as you put it) is incorrect, but I can tell that you'd like to have an explanation.

[mocked horror voice]No offense, but you misrepresent yourself as a non-weirdo when you are a weirdo?!? Most people don't want to have to be associated with weirdos, so your lie is certainly a horrible thing to foist upon them. Without wishing to be rude, I bet that you are the type of horribly deceitful person who even stands up and sits down during the funeral, and probably even says "amen" at the appropriate times![/voice]

Forget the "society" part. Really, other than some governmental regulations regarding some very harmful or particularly annoying sorts of lying, society has nothing to do with it.

Lying is something that is usually done on a more personal level. You have already shown that some deceitful behavior is acceptable because it is reasonable. We generally only get upset about behavior when we can't say "yeah, I'd probably do that too."