At least we're not irretrievably vulgar.

I meant, your post reminded me that I wanted to respond to what I quoted.
I hope I'm wrong about all of this. If the US isn't ruled by martial law within the next 50 years I'll be genuinely surprised and I might then concede that I was nutty.

But alright, if I'm nutty, then where's the evidence that Obama has good reasons for what he's doing? Are you taking it completely on faith? The facts point to Obama being a criminal and the US being a rogue state, so am I really the one being "nutty" when I'm basing my beliefs on facts instead of faith and what the mainstream media says? I only appear nutty because the mainstream media is nothing but propaganda.

Jesus christ, have you ever heard of reductio ad absurdum?

Sure, but your critique is silly. Either a) you've lost all faith in humanity and believe hundreds of millions of people would elect a president based on his promise to murder, thus making them all murderers or b) you don't think that would ever happen and my original statement makes perfect sense.

We'd have to get into the specifics, and I'm afraid this isn't the forum for that. But if you really do hope you're wrong as you claim, and you really are interested in knowing why Obama is doing what he thinks is right, and you're not really just some moon-landing-denying, twin-towers-demolition, blood-for-oil, pharma-won't-cure-cancer-because-they-are-too-greedy, Pepsi's-better-than-Coke, conspiracy nutter, the politics forum is only a click away. Ask.

A campaign spends 1 billion on brainwashing people, they get brainwashed and vote for him. Obviously they're not purposely electing a murderer but they're dumb/uneducated enough to be persuaded by campaign ads, empty speeches and Fox/CNN. And then once he's in office doing everything they hated Bush for doing, it doesn't get talked about on the news so no one knows what's going on.

When you have an uninformed electorate it's not much of a democracy. If we the people don't know what's going on, why would we use our power to do anything about it?
Also, bear in mind that the president gets elected by a little more than 1/4 of the eligible voting population. Half the voters don't even show up because they know they won't get any of the results they want regardless of which of the 2 crooks is in office.

Moon-landing was real, 9/11 was real, pepsi and coke are both substances I wouldn't put in my body unless stranded in a desert, and on another note, I've never once tried weed which proves I'm not a hippie.

I've decided to avoid the politics forum, it's an unproductive use of time (I could be learning math instead!) and I have nothing to gain from it. I can't change people's minds, at least not without throwing a bunch of facts at them but I don't have the time to spend digging up sources just to win debates on a forum. There's no sense in me doing it when they can just read/listen to Chomsky who is a human encyclopedia.

While you're studying math, try to understand why this makes no sense. Hint: If 75% of the electorate doesn't vote, that's the reason they don't get the results they want- or better said they get exactly the results they want. Believe it or not, politicians listen to the people who vote for them. They do this for several reasons, among them is so they can get reelected. The reason most people don't vote is because they're too lazy to figure out who all those names are on the ballot, and because they're actually pretty comfortable with their situation.

More advise you won't take. Don't ever rely on a single source, otherwise you're not making any of your own decisions. Lol at u calling everyone in the US brainwashed idiots then explaining all anyone should do is listen to Chomski. Politics forum would be the most productive use of your time I can think of. Go see how Chomski's ideas hold up to scrutiny.

No, you still don't understand at all. AT ALL.

Your original quote that I responded to was It's a non sequitur. "being democratically elected" and "not being a murderer" have no logical relationship with each other. None. All four (yes/no,yes/no) combinations are possible. The comment makes no sense. I was simply illustrating an extreme example of (is democratically elected, is a murderer) to show that the two things are not logically related.

Why do you think anybody who calls him a murderer is on drugs?

1) Because he's doing the will of the people, he can't be a murderer
2) He's getting advice from military leaders, there's no way they're just blowing collateral damage innocents up left and right
3) He may be blowing innocents up left and right, but it's with consultation from military leaders and obviously in the best interests of the country or they wouldn't be doing it, so he's not a murderer
4) Other? _____________

Tom, you are focusing on the wrong part. I said he's doing the job he was elected to do (which happens to require he be democratically elected). That's why I said "he made the decisions he was elected to make." I'm not saying that is why he's not a murderer, I'm declaring he is not one. It happens to be a tough job which requires a whole lot of tough calls. I find it partially amusing and at the same time sickening people throw around the term murderer at every single US president because they're too ignorant/passionate to understand that.

I haven't. Point me to publications then. And don't say Collier's "The Anti-Chomsky Reader". Any criticism I've read/heard of Chomsky's points has been extremely weak. Also, any debates I've watched between Chomsky and someone else, the other person got owned. It's just as easy for me to call you ignorant as it is for you to imply I am. Without actually giving evidence that Obama's actions are necessary consequences of "tough calls", your claim that I'm the ignorant one is meaningless. I also question how you could even know, since you're not in the White House receiving the briefings he is. Nor am I, so I'm looking at his actions for what they are (and in the context of post-WW2 history) instead of dreaming up valid justifications for them and having faith that such justifications exist.

So here's a compromise -- we won't call each other ignorant unless we're actually willing to back up that claim by dragging this debate on for dozens (hundreds?) more posts, which neither of us feels like doing.

Fail

Killing isn't the same thing as murder.

One can make the argument that killing people isn't very nice. Perhaps even that it is yucky. We have our reasons though, and it is probably best if you stop doing whatever it is that makes us kill you since we have nearly all of the weapons and don't really care for you sufficiently to do otherwise.

We will, for our part of the bargain, make sure that you don't have weapons as we completely agree that killing us is yucky.

Agreed heehaw. Lets drop this. We're not even talking specifics and we shouldn't here. I think you should talk specifics over in the politics forum and maybe you can own people. And maybe learn something too.

Well put. Another reason is because we're a democracy so we're not murderers and all our decisions are better than yours. So fall in line biches.

Stop fighting guys!

ROFL. I'm convinced.

Well, I wasn't trying to convince you. Politics forum is --------------->

So I'm visiting my brother and his family in Montana (they have about 10 acres) and today I did some fencing mending which was interesting. They have horses, goats, sheep, ducks, chickens, rabbits and turkeys. I'll be moving on to visit other members of my family soon.

Family I think, is important. The Cosa Nostra also think so. And those guys are wise.

Ear plugs work well. Better than I expected. Especially the foam ones that you roll into a tight cylinder, and then jam way into your ear canal where they expand. They have mean attenuations over 40 dB, though this can vary greatly with the individual, frequency, and specific noise environment. But I've experienced some very dramatic reductions in low frequency rumble from "damn annoying" to "barely noticeable".

Letting the ear hair grow in and avoiding q-tips works even better. Takes longer though.

That would interfere with the proper fit and seal of the ear plugs. I don't actually have vines growing out of my ears though.

Ear hair + earwax is nature's earplugs. I am fairly sure that it is to keep old married couples from killing each other so they can help out with the grandkids.

Just to give a bit of a spoiler: It really sucks the first time the barber asks whether you'd like him to trim your ear hairs. Somewhat worse than the first time you get carded and feel happy because it hasn't happened for quite a while leading to what you expect will be a happy pep in your step until the clerk ruins it by saying "no offense intended sir, but we have to card everyone."

**** you clerk. I don't need a hoveround yet you whippersnapper.

I don't like goats. They look like they were drawn by a satanic half-******ed 3-year-old. The eyes just aren't natural and there is no reason for their heads to be that triangular.

I generally approve otherwise. Make sure to visit with the kinfolk just as long as it takes to be on balance slightly annoyed yet still generally fond of them. Eat at least a few of their bags of meat to let them know who is boss.

Myra Rudolf is hot. This is one of the greatest mysteries in life. This sort of thing bothers me a lot.

Brian is playful.

just learned what a 'happy number' is lol