I feel that is a huge claim you are making when you say "rewards". You probably thinking having internet is a reward. I certainly don't see it has a reward.

Don't want to go to jail, part of that fear mongering thing I was talking about before. I got caught speeding one day I was 39mph in a 30 zone, coming down hill in an wide open stretch of straight road clear vision front and sides, it was mid day and the sun was out. No previous record. At what point can I raise my hand and say "I disagree" with the whole idea that there was a risk to anyone at the given moment and time. Its called a calculated risk, I think its lame to charge me for doing 9mph over speed limit given all that we know. What if I hear you cry, what if someone jumped out in front of me? what if an asteroid fell from the sky and I had to swerve that object on the road and hit someone walking by.

Its called a calculated risk judge, no one was on or near the open stretch of road, in mid day sun with good vision, you stupid clown!

At what point can I raise my hand and say "I disagree" with the amount of taxes I pay. I wrote a letter asking a breakdown for each penny that my taxes went towards. No response. I rang up and they where not helpful and passed the buck and just give me the run around. I want an account for each penny I contribute and what if anything am I entitled to.

So my options are to leave the country to join another country with similar rules and laws. well done you got me checkmate.

You are correct with everything you say about me.

What I want is a free pass. I want to say after 10 or so years working in architecture that its not working, I see the game for what it is I just shuffle paper back-and-forth to planning and building control. It is all based on lies and deceit, and a tick-box exercise. Its hollow and fake, and I get it. I totally understand. A monkey can do my job. Last time I went to psychiatrist I openly said, "Hey listen all I want is a free pass, just sign some document that says that Robin Agrees is unable to work due to stress or whatever spin you want to put on it"

Turns out they don't help that way they actually want me to keep going to a job I hate. I find that really odd.

This one goes out to Robin Agrees who has a really boring job. Try to stay awake man! Gin Blossoms on WSMP:


The last horizons I can see are filled with bars and factories
And in them all we fight to stay awake
Drink enough of anything to make this world look new again
Drunk drunk drunk in the gardens and the graves

She had nothing left to say so she said she loved me
I stood there grateful for the lie
Drink enough of anything to make this girl look new again
Drunk drunk drunk in the gardens and the graves

Turn summer trees to bones and ice
Turn insect songs against the night
With words we build and words we break
I'm drunk drunk drunk in the gardens and the graves

Maybe I can use you to reassure my self
I wouldn't wish this indecision on anybody else
Drink enough of anything to make this world look new again
And when the sin smiles how could it be wrong?

The last horizons I could see are now resigned to memories
I never thought I'd still be here today
Drink enough of anything to make myself look new again
Drunk drunk drunk in the gardens and the graves

Oh BTW, the guy who wrote that killed himself. That was 20 years ago almost to the day. RIP Doug Hopkins.

I suggest a hobby where you repeatedly take your life in your hands. Free climbing, base jumping, or my personal favorite, extreme skiing. Get a Suzuiki Hayabusa and ride it 200 mph. There are those of us who need to face death in order to feel alive, or to feel anything at all.

Or you could get a hobby. Maybe get involved in politics? Volunteer for a libertarian candidate, this could give you a sense of purpose. It's been awhile since the 60's, but once upon a time people did this sort of thing.

*Note that the paragraphs below represent my current understanding of the answer to the question posed, as I interpret it, and are subject to change according to the will of the random fluctuations of life*

Partially grunching this quote, but the above quote is not necessarily true. Westerners always misunderstand Buddhism because they try to apply the methods of conceptual thinking derived from the ancient days of Greece in order to analyze it.

Buddhism is not a philosophical system analogous to the western philosophies we are so indoctrinated to. Buddhism acknowledges that all systems of thought are subject to impermanence and subjectivity, and thus it does not make any declarative, definite facts known as "Truths". Buddhism realizes the limitations of language and uses it as pointers to guide a conceptual mind into realizing the unconceptual ( This is the main purpose of Kōans in Zen ).

The Buddha was wise enough to preach his teachings through the philosophical view point of the time, which was one of karma. People back then believed in accumulative karma, meaning that they gained positive karmic points for good behavior and bad points for bad behavior. The Buddha realized that this view of karma was false. Instead, one should view karma as a result of Dependent Origination. The brilliant point of Buddhism was to bracket all "free willing" actions ( thus refuting Descartes' cogito as the basis of phenomenal experience ) into just another category of experience. When one realizes that the actions he does is just originated from previous conditions, one begins to see to realize that there is no self doing anything at all! Indeed, one realizes that what they refer to as the self is just a label given to a localized point of temporal being that is the result of casual processes ( this does not mean that the reality is deterministic, read up on some chaos theory ).

Thus, there is karma through volitional actions, but once realizes that these actions are not really "their's" they stop creating karma. But of course they were never creating it in the first place, but by understanding that they are not the volitional representations which they mistake themselves for, karma ceases being created and thus they realize the one true unconditioned i.e. Enlightenment.

The way I usually think to understand this is to see that the world as you know it was created through all karmic actions ( previous lives ) of previous beings ( obviously trivially true ). Thus one's localized temporal experience is thrown into the world ( a la Heidegger ), created by other's actions, thus one continues the manifestation of karma as long as one views oneself as a separate entity acting on the world, but once one is able to truly recognize that the self is a just a label to a whirlwind of experiences one is able to stop the karmic process.

Here's a post from another forum that I practically agree with.

Again this is just my view on the subject. The Buddhist idea of karma can be sourced and interpreted to fit one's viewpoint as needed, I am just humbling offering my interpretation since I think that the viewing Buddhism through a Western prism does not do it the justice it deserves. Actually be applied to Eastern philosophy in general, I wonder why that is?

See it has a reward?!? It isn't a matter of personal philosophy.

Why do you have the internet?!? If I didn't think it was worth paying for I'd simply not have it.

You aren't the only one in charge of making the rules.

Also, you calculated the risk incorrectly by not taking into account the risk of getting a ticket. A simple calculation would show you the per mile cost of driving over the speed limit.

So, you think that everyone else should have to comply with your personal wishes, yet you don't want to comply with their wishes? I doubt you are going to get your wish.

You are allowed to disagree. You are even allowed to vehemently disagree since you happen to live in a place where vehement disagreement is not costly. I'm afraid that you hold a minority opinion if you think that your opinion on the local rules holds greater significance than everyone else's.

There are many more options than that. Not speeding would be one. Getting a better job so that you can more easily afford speeding tickets would be another. Running for office on the platform of "no more traffic tickets" would be another. Jumping up and down on one leg for a bit while screaming would be another. Complaining on the internet about a speeding ticket would be another. The possibilities are endless.

"They" do?!?

I'm fairly certain that they don't care what job you have, or whether you have a job. They just know that if you don't have a job you won't have any money, and understand that most people find being homeless and hungry to be problematic. Since you asked them for help, they offered their best advice.

Here is your free pass: You are free to quit any time. You just won't have any money and it is our expert opinion that you aren't cut out for homelessness or starvation.

Why is it not possible for them to give me money that will help me and my current mental state? They offer drugs, which costs money, they offer counselling which costs money and is a long and tedious matter. They also say they are willing to help and since I pay my taxes (I'm from UK) NHS provides care for someone like me who is mentally unstable who has the issue of work and that it causes me stress, depression etc....Is it that much of a leap to just you know offer the money? Is this beyond the realm of possibilities. Does the kindness and empathy of these people stop at drugs and meditation/CBT.

So we both agree, if I don't have money I won't be cut out for homelessness or starvation. Can we both agree that I'm not cut out to be part of the workforce either? or is it just a one way street with you?

But I already do comply and obey with their wishes hence this feeling of being a slave, depressed, isolated, etc.....But it is much more than just a feeling, it is the life they present that I must obey that I actually live out on daily basis.

I was unaware that I made/make any rules. Point to some of the rules I make?

I know my place in the world and it ain't too high IMO. Its the fact that my decisions dont matter in the long run and also the fact that my decisions are insignificant and small in matter, that my views are worthless, that my actions dont get noticed or that they matter, that my voice does not be heard because its drowned out by others, I cant change anything important, I have no say in anything. Just another trooper, doing what hes told, with the belief its for the common good of everyone, good job 2154546.

You could become like Snowden and blow the whistle on all the fraud and deceit you see. That would give you power. You could also use the threat of that to get them to cut you in for a much bigger piece.

It would absolutely be possible for them to do something like that. They don't want to, they don't have to, there is no reason at all for them to, so they don't.

Ah, so you want to stop paying the taxes and have everyone else work a bit harder so they can support you. Strange that they aren't complying with your want. It is a pretty big leap - I'd estimate it as Grand Canyon sized.

Yes. They probably don't like working either.

You are working, which means by definition that you are cut out for it. You just find it unpleasant. This is fairly average.

You want to quit working so you feel less isolated? You are far from being a slave - you can quit your job at any time.

You can vote if you wish to. I'm sure you have a long list of personal rules such as "I'll yell at you and perhaps flail violently if you hit me for no reason" and "I'll not be your friend and I'll call the cops if you steal my wallet" and "No spitting on my sandwich or I'll tell your boss."

Sounds like a perfectly normal life to me other than you are banging on about it.

So if someone was unstable mentally to drive in a safe manner both for himself and others around him, you would let them drive just because they are currently behind the wheel of a car? You wouldn't lock this person up either, he just can't drive anymore.

Here's another analogy say someone is behind the wheel of a car and he say's" look if I continue driving I'm going to crash (suicide/mental breakdown), I can see I'm not fit to drive." You as a responsible person (because if you are not responsible you get beat up apparently) would let this person keep driving, but worse than that to encourage them to keep driving.

Now you starting to understand. Here let me make it easier to understand, if everyone in N.Ireland (UK) sent me £1 with a note attached "here robin you miserable ****, take this and stop complaining like a little bitch, GO AWAY idiot" Done deal, that's it over!

I'll go one better than that - doesn't have to be everyone, doesn't have to be £1 either. I bet everyone reading is thinking what a strange idea/person. So no one will have to work "harder" and if they are unable to financially give, that's cool. But if you are telling me that for one day that people don't spend a pound on a red bull or drink or whatever, and just ship me £1 and tell me to **** off, well what can I say. I guess I was right to avoid them, because they are just as miserable as me.

The analogy doesn't work. People drive to get from a to b and back. People work to get money.

When we take away someone's drivers license we don't hire them a driver to cart them around.

You don't need an analogy at all here. The facts of the case are fairly simple.

The analogy doesn't work. First, the person talking in your example isn't the right person to make such a judgment. Second, there is no such rule that I have to make people not drive. It isn't my job. Third, again, taking away your ability to drive is not the same as hiring you a driver to cart you around. You will have to walk or pay for a bus ticket or a cab.

What you are asking for is to be put on disability. Whether to grant you disability isn't your decision. The expert you went to decided that you don't qualify.

We already have such a social system in place. It is called "begging."

I doubt that anyone agrees to your terms. If we did, nearly everyone would chose the "work is too much of a drag" option. There isn't any reason at all for everyone to agree that you somehow deserve special treatment.

Why would most people chose the "work is too much of a drag"? Isn't that proving my point. That work and thus the vast majority of time in life sucks?

That is to say most people must hate going to work and in your opinion opt-out by taking free money. Doesn't that speak volumes of the human race in that they would rather be slaves and bought and sold, and to deny how they really feel? rather to ask for help. Doesn't it speak volumes that people won't help those who beg? And if begging is worse than working, because I would rather beg than be a slave.

This guy sums up how I feel about voting, I have never voted in my life because no one represents my views. Government end goal is to get everyone into work, surely the end goal should be the opposite.

- 7.04 to 7.18



Alan Watts on jobs



You said,

And I asked point to some of the rules and laws that I made and you said I can vote. Voting is not the same as me making the rules. To confuse the two is a great error.

First off, I'm not wasting an hour and a half watching what will no doubt be some hack job take on voting. U could provide cliffs I suppose.

But really, all you have to do is envision a better system that can actually work given the limitations we have, put it into words, and eventually it will catch on and become the next system. This is how it has happened up to present. Yes, this is the best we've come up with. So chop, chop.

Eagerly awaiting Masque's first chapter. Yours, is well, next on the list.

You've resigned from your job, then?

Nobody vote. Its a waste of time.

Working if there were an option to get a decent amount of money without working is completely different than what you just said.

The rest of us work because we like not being homeless and starving. Many of us manage to make the best of it. We have no desire to treat you any differently.

We don't really mind if you quit working. We just point out that you might not like the consequences. We've already done that.

Not even close. That people would rather not work if they could get the same money by doing nothing doesn't have any of the implications that you gave.

Some of us even put in overtime and do it on purpose.

I'm guessing you don't have any education in politics. That makes your opinion uneducated. I have a personal rule of not listening when someone wants to tell me how they "feel" about a topic that is one that they should be educated enough to "think" about it instead before speaking.

I'm not particularly interested in watching the videos. Personal rule against it that I have.

I also gave you a list of specific rules that you have. I have one about when to go to bed that I will be enforcing later today.

You've had your right to have your say in the law-making process. That is all we are willing to give you. You can even run for office if you wish. To ask for more (or even think it possible that we'd give you more) than that is silly. You aren't the only person and we aren't convinced that you are more important than the rest of us.

Does anyone know what this is?

Looks like a large slug. Do you live in the south?

wiki

City boys. Looks like a grub worm. Slugs are slimy and slower (unless you pour salt on them).