You'd probably want to avoid committing crime in the first place. Utility of that act is usually pretty low...

Being a professional criminal must be a major pain in the ass. Those guys really earn the money they steal.

If I just wear regular clothing and don't use a sterile environment like they use to manufacture semiconductor devices, I'm going to have my DNA flying off my clothes all over that letter. It is sooooooo hard to avoid contamination even under laboratory conditions, and they can replicate a single strand of DNA. But that's my solution. I have to go visit that woman in her house. As long as I'd been to her house, it doesn't matter if I get DNA on the letter because there will be an explanation for it.

Why me telling you how to send an untraceable letter be something i should be worried about. If NSA of FBI is observing us now they can use us as assets to understand better their own risks by what we describe.

Sending a letter nobody can trace to you is very easy. Examine each process one by one and introduce randomness in it and identity cover, location distances, often excessive that leave no connections protected by chaos theory itself. Handling a piece of paper printed on a computer while wearing gloves leaves no trace to it if you do it far from home in public place.

Do you want me to post and show how? Or do you think we play with fire? Knowing how to do something is not by itself bad, its what an agency must know to better understand their problems and it is in fact the key reason why a war on terrorism can never be won with anti-terrorism efforts (although those can still offer some protection initially) (it requires a move towards scientific society instead) because the ability of the attacker to become more and more elaborate is far less complex than the effort of the protector to defend. I mean NSA for example should recognize that if groups want to communicate without trace they can do it super easily using math and current technology and several steps that leave no trace even within computers that one anticipates to be already hacked due to being connected to the internet since the start. You can always have clean computers nobody ever connected to the net and use all kinds of data transfer methods and processing.

I mean say i wanted to develop a scientific theory of immense value and was capable to do it why cant i do it in a way that my computer can never be hacked, even if the best methods are used against me. I can always separate things and keep them clean from internet access. Same with actual physical behavior outside in "real life". All you need is extra care in the steps and excessive self awareness.

Right, randomness. I was reaching a similar conclusion. Did you see my idea to visit the woman so there is an explanation for my DNA on the letter? I should go a step further and make sure there is DNA from other people on the letter too, or it will look suspicious. I don't want frame people though. I need to use DNA from several neighbors/contractors who have been there.

Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing your procedure.

Bruce, "Throw Mamma From The Train" technique should work.

You'll also have to build a time machine so you can go back and have not written about it here.

yup

this too

Ok first of all why not talk directly to that woman in a kind friendly manner and solve it the easy way. You may even get her a present as neighbor and only weeks later bring up the issue.

Or you can do the unthinkable! Be honest!

Ask yourself what is it that prevents you from asking this? If she is not a terrible, nasty, brutally ignorant person, maybe direct communication is the solution. You can think like this; I cant talk freely because i will be seen as aggressor or obnoxious etc. So lets become friends first and eliminate that problem. Then from that point we can do all kinds of talks in a friendly manner and arrive at the issue eventually. You can find a gift for her or her family. Then weeks later open the issue and also ask her if she wants anything from you as well in terms if your own behavior /patterns habits in the neighborhood. That way it will appear honest and positive/constructive or it will force you to recognize that what she is doing is not all that terrible anyway.

But i agree dogs, very loud music, screaming at kids, smoking if in apartments etc are all bs behavior that needs to be modified. But who is to say it cant be done with a very positive nonthreatening manner.


Regarding letters, why me using another computer far away, wearing gloves , hat and glasses and a mustache or long hair lol and sending the letter from distant post office leave any DNA? What if i accidentally dropped the letter to be mailed in a dusty floor before sending it after first printing it in a public store and used money i never touched to pay for everything?


Also having written on the net about it doesnt mean you did it. Plus you can always save all your operating systems drives in back up and get new computer, do all kinds of searches in them including sex and all kinds of risky things to leave normal male behavior patterns so that when your computer is taken its a made up profile.

Besides say your name is XY. Say we do not know who is XY only BruceZ wrote these things. Now NSA knows who is BruceZ is they want to due to prior IP history maybe etc if they record everything (thats a big if as understanding recent developments is very important - and we need a new thread about with title a society with no more easy secrets...). But i mean you can clean up behavior after a certain point in time to leave nothing behind if you wanted and do all searches away from home. They cant search all the internet looking for what was ever posted somewhere unless they know the connection what to look for under ie 2+2 BruceZ.

Knowing how to do something but leaving no trace doesnt mean you did it as well.

But obviously the best way is to never start an internet chat about it anyway. So this here is such an exercise really in understanding risk not doing a crime. Its in fact a discussion in my opinion that can help agencies like FBI, NSA,CIA etc improve.
We are useful to them and they should employ us actually as part time jobs because our posting history easily indicates we are ethical people that want good for others as standard approach. So if we discuss something we do it out of scientific curiosity and to also make the point that the only real defense against the type of crime or terror that requires polynomial effort (such as mailing a clean letter) but demands then exponentially or much higher polynomial type increasing reaction effort to protect from it (such as detecting all those things from the letter) is a losing war at the level of resources.

Because if it doesn't work and THEN I send the letter, it's obvious who sent it. Now the authorities aren't just trying to figure out who did it, they are trying to prove *I* did it which makes their job orders of magnitude easier.

And what is she going to do about the dog? Have it professionally trained? Have it surgically altered so it doesn't bark so loud (like that movie, what was it, where the people move into the strict neighborhood with all the rules, and they kidnap the dog and have it surgically altered so it makes a faint little bark. LOL), or have it put down? They won't think any of these things are reasonable. I saw her trying to train the dog in the yard. It was hilarious. She wouldn't give it a toy until it sat or something, and it just kept barking and barking. Then she scooped it up, carried it in the house, and gave it a smack on the ass with the toy. LOL Actually, if she'd just keep her door closed it would be much better. And now it is because of the weather. But in the summer she keeps it open. I'd like to open my windows too, but I can't because of the damn dog.


I didn't think of that. It seemed like too much trouble, but after considering all the Pink Panther moves, it may be an easier alternative. I could make friends with the garage door man too.

I'm going to build the infrasound generator though. It's cool and harmless, and it should work on the dog too. If I turn garage door man's house into a haunted house while he's getting high, I could make him see actual ghosts.

I feel like I'm setting up for an episode of 1000 Ways to Die.


When they investigate this letter and do a search on the internet for threatening letters, dogs, and other key words, and find the posts from BruceZ, and find he lives right across the street, it's all over for me.

Well this is why i said you do not talk about it online. But even then i think its very hard to search all of the billions of messages that exist online. And even if they did why would they know with 100% accuracy that it was you that sent the letter. They will know it but be unable to prove it. If they can simply call this circumstantial evidence and stick then the letter idea is done lol as a plan.

What if you find a frequency only dogs hear that when he barks you start and the dog is trained that way through ear pain. After 20 times of doing it and getting "punished" it may stop or at least it may stop each day it starts for hours.

If i post here a way that people can communicate without being observed or while being observed but without in any case being understood by third persons no matter what effort is applied with current technology, do i violate anything? Do i help criminals? Is the value of knowing a method better than the damage it can create? I find a society that can observe everything and not use it responsibly like only targeting the real criminals and never bypassing privacy or ethical issues to extort people or abuse them in unrelated issues later, as the beginning of something ugly.

It is necessary in such society to be able to still communicate unobserved if you so desire or free speech is no longer free. I simply know how to do that if needed. The world has trillions of possible interactions and if you force people to ingeniously create elaborate methods to safely communicate that require hard problem solutions you will bankrupt your efforts as monitoring society while they lose only little. Your resources therefore are better spent not to pursue hard to solve problems but solving other easier problems that prevent people from being criminals or renegades/revolutionaries whatever it is to begin with.

They sell gizmos like that. Some claim success with them, some not, depending on how far the dog is.


You said "really loud music". To me, any music I can hear in my house is unacceptable. I don't want to hear some music I can't control. I've got some guys that drive by in trucks with music so loud it literally resonates and makes stuff in my house vibrate. How the hell can they be inside the truck with that? They'd have to be deaf. I bought this place because it was quiet, and it has been very quiet for a long time. Now the neighborhood is going to hell with barking dogs, and kids, and people who use their trucks as stereos while they party. Apparently I need to move out to a cabin in the middle of nowhere like Ted Kaczynski. I think about him a lot now.

The problem with Ted or other terrorists is that they themselves are playing a losing game. You cannot hurt random people that are innocent and even those you think are guilty require better more effective approaches.

Hurting a dog or sending a nasty latter ultimately escalates things for the worse. So i understand your frustration and drive to find a smart way more as an exercise in fun thinking rather than an actual attempt for violence.

I am actually more amused at thinking when the dog barks, to have a sound system that "barks" 20 times louder using all kinds of animal sounds rapidly including Lion sounds and Elephants lol or screams (in your own altered voice) in the middle of the night to the neighbors; "fix your %$%#ing dog you sociopathic uncaring losers". Imagine that loud scream and then followed by all the animal sounds on huge sound intensity for a few seconds every time the dog barks without a purpose for say 5-6 times . It would be hilarious!!!

Regarding the communication problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...ncy#Encryption

"Data mining

Main articles: USA surveillance tools, PRISM (surveillance program), Data mining, analytics, information extraction, and data analysis

NSA is reported to use its computing capability to analyze "transactional" data that it regularly acquires from other government agencies, which gather it under their own jurisdictional authorities. As part of this effort, NSA now monitors huge volumes of records of domestic emails and Internet searches as well as bank transfers, credit-card transactions and travel and telephone records, according to current and former intelligence officials interviewed by The Wall Street Journal.[128] Reportedly, the majority of emails in or out of the USA are captured at "selected communications links" and automatically analyzed for keywords or other "selectors".[129]

The NSA began the PRISM electronic surveillance and data mining program in 2007.[130][131] PRISM gathers communications data on foreign targets from nine major U.S. internet-based communication service providers: Microsoft,[132] Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple. Data gathered include email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, VoIP chats such as Skype, and file transfers. Another program, Boundless Informant, employs big data databases, cloud computing technology, and Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) to analyze data collected worldwide by the NSA, including that gathered by way of the PRISM program.[133][citation needed]

The Real Time Regional Gateway was a data collection program introduced in 2005 in Iraq by NSA during the Iraq War. It consisted of gathering all Iraqi electronic communication, storing it, then searching and otherwise analyzing it. It was effective in providing information about Iraqi insurgents who had eluded less comprehensive techniques.[134] Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian believes that the "collect it all" strategy introduced by NSA director Alexander shows that "the NSA's goal is to collect, monitor and store every telephone and internet communication" worldwide.[135]
Encryption

In 2013, reporters uncovered a secret memo that claims the NSA created and pushed for the adoption of encryption standards that contained built-in vulnerabilities in 2006 to the United States National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), and the International Organization for Standardization (aka ISO).[136] This memo appears to give credence to previous speculation by cryptographers at Microsoft Research.[137]

Edward Snowden claims that the NSA often bypasses encryption altogether by lifting information before it is encrypted or after it is decrypted."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_su..._United_States

He got lots of people to read his manifesto who otherwise wouldn't have. For him that may have been worth the small sacrifice in lives which had a net negative impact on society anyway, from his POV, and whom served as symbolic victims.

He lashed out on environmental issues, but I have a theory that's just what happened to crystallize his anger, and if it wasn't that, it would have been something else. He had a lot of anger toward the math department at Michigan for how it was run and how it treated students. He was different from other grad students in his obsessive thirst for mathematical truth. Ted thought that he was smarter than everyone around him, certainly those in charge. And he was really smart. Look at his PhD thesis. But when you think you're smarter than every one, and you're obsessive and driven, and you're a loner, then you have no one to give you feedback. So your hatred builds until you become convinced that you're justified in doing things that a normal person would never seriously consider.


I have no interest in hurting dogs, like serial killers who torture animals. I just want them to disappear off the face of the earth. If one were really annoying me over a period of time, and I knew I could make that happen without being caught, I would do it and feel justified. And they all know how I feel about them. They can smell my hatred. Even mild mannered dogs go crazy around me, and their owners tell me "he NEVER behaved that way before, WTF?". And they search to see what I might have on me. But it's not what's on me. It's what's in me.

Kitties are just the opposite. I visited my friend's family and see this white 3-legged cat across the yard. I get down to summon it over, and they say "no no, he doesn't come near people, he's crazy feral", and as soon as they say this, the cat runs, not walks, runs across the yard to me, sniffs my hand, and lets me pet it. The people were dumbfounded. "WTF? He hasn't done that for years. You should be an animal trainer." Actually I probably just did something that he remembered he liked at one time. You can connect with them though. By your movements, returning their blinks, etc. And if you do that to a cat who was once loved, but people have given up on for a long time, and no one shows it affection, just imagine how a human would react in that situation, and the cat's actions are understandable.


LOL. Yeah, I've thought that you have to fight fire with fire. If they can be inconsiderate, then so can I, and that's a war I think I can win. Like Rambo, "You want war, I'll givya war you won't believe."

Do you just quietly forgive, or do you not let it tilt you? Tilt is a physiological response. How can you change that? How can you be unannoyed by something annoying?

Doesn't seem like it worked out particularly well for him.

One of the happiest people I've ever met lived in a cabin in the mountains after a short career at Penn. Lived off a small amount of income from books he had written. Nice guy. Liked solitude. Liked fishing. Was horrible to be behind in line at the grocery store.

I take a step back and giggle about it. Basic silverback response.

Hell is other people.

A great reason to not be poor. Wealth frequently provides better options than homicide or suicide.

I can even afford a watch that doesn't ****ing tock all night long.

All motion is relative, right? If something is moving forwards, something else has to be moving backwards, right? So, if time is moving forwards, WTF is moving backwards?

order of a system is moving back to disorder... maybe?

The past

What if time is moving backwards all the time? You couldn't tell the difference, like you couldn't if the universe was made of antimatter.

Whichever the convention, forwards or backwards, it is not possible to move in the opposite direction in time. Movement in time, unlike in space, is always relative to something else which is going in the same direction but at a different speed, right?

It depends. When you have the twin paradox the younger one has moved back in time if seen from the older one's standpoint. But OK, they are both older than they were when the other twin took that sub-lightspeed trip.

So what does it depend on?

I suppose I'm asking if "forwards" is the right way of looking at it at all. Would not some more neutral term which does not have an opposite be a more appropriate way of describing the passage of time?