You do not have to fill every situation with the worse imaginable perversity and create characters that are terminally killing targets that deserve to not exist without possibility of redemption. In the real world you do not have endless terminal monsters.

It feels as if the author is so convinced the world is a horrible place and you just kill whoever is in front of you on the way to some mfing throne that at the end of the day buys exactly what? A permanent insecurity for your life always looking behind you. You cant live that way. It was never exactly that way for this reason. Life expectancy in such world is days because you have endless enemies.

What separates a king that is terrible from their own death? Time dt! If a king is very strict and almost sadistic for fun all are afraid of him and wish him dead behinds his back, they are not aligned with him for any other reason than fear that the others that are more afraid than them will not agree to revolt and support them. If nobody is looking you wish them dead because you are in risk of getting killed every time they are not happy with you for even ridiculous reasons. So all hate such person and only fear helps the king survive for a while. At some point the tide turns and if 10 in the room agree to kill you the other 5 will join them. A phase transition is very easy in such world.

So the proper behavior game theoretically is not to be super abusive but also useful to those around you with multiple alliances and very few enemies in your vicinity.

You kill relatives of others and then your entire family becomes forever a target? How long does this survive?

If i have evidence all around me are unreal aholes that are supremely unethical i will find a way to kill everyone or make it my goal. That is a promise from me the "good" guy! Because someone needs to end the madness for good. Others will join me. Its not the morality police, its the rational end the unreal evil for good group. Its not a group that thinks evil can be eliminated permanently but a group that has had it with it existing daily everywhere. It is a group that decides to die for a cause that will make eventually life tolerable for the others. Many revolutions are like that of course. But the show is taking things to unreal extremes.

The reason GoT is so popular is because everyone can relate to it. That it's production values are so incredibly high is a plus but it's the fact that each of us understands the monsters that makes it popular. One of the main characters (one of the best liked of the lot) killed his own father and he's given a pass because we sympathize.

The last season premier is going to be watched by so many people it really ought to set a record. That that many people are so pumped to see who gets killed next ought to tell you something about what we really are.

Flock of sheep.

I watched for the young female protagonist's boobs and ass: scenes of episodes from season one.

The sheep of Westeros:

If you want to find a more down to not middle earth, but earth depiction of modern human society as depicted by a TV show, check out 'You' on Netflix.

Netflix, bah.

I just read a bunch of really excellent articles put out by the ****ing Jews (Commentary Magazine). Made me laugh, even though it's a serious issue. Jew-type people need to arm up and get ready for some old fashion kill or be killed. I'm excited about the future, it's going to be fun.

dracarys!

Even that little girl Arya (who by now is older but i am not there yet as i am in 2013 currently) has flirted with evil.




Arya vs Trump! You go girl. What this country needs is a famous 9-10 year old debating Trump on tweeter! You watch it happen! Like really talking to him with insults only a child can produce using the truth in every statement and full kindness otherwise, targeting hypocrisy 100% 24/7 like the endless ethical soul of the country, all from the brain and naivete of a 9 year old. I cant wait for this to have happened. This is exactly what his tweets need, a relentless cute nemesis media covers 24/7 that will ethically demolish the mfer and the losers supporting him.

The Dracarys babe played the politically correct angle (this show is full of politically correct no gos while on the other hand remaining full vile and evil - pun always intended- making it all hilarious if you get what i mean) but still did some debatable things.

That Arya girl, the kid that cant walk, the cool nanoguy, the Snow guy and his fat friend (good luck with winning if still alive) are just about what is left to save the day. I wonder if by season 7 all those have become aholes also or dead as well.


Greek mythology is what the US needs. This is how you present evil and still at the end of the day you leave with virtue in your heart. The character is always redeemable after failure. There is a way to be good again. You better believe it.

I also forgot the tall amazon style warrior Brienne and the advisor of the dracarys girl from resident evil, lol. They havent shown remarkable unwarranted evil so far.


Lets face it. There is a clear and present desire across all modern TV in recent decades to make all heroes dirty in some way. Reality TV is 100% about that too. I refuse that as the standard. It is a profoundly corruptive cynical message. It is possible to be consistently good and still alive and you can fail but still remain intact ethically. This tendency is simply a way to entice for profit the masses and justify their everyday failure in little and big things as ok because after all, all the heroes are that way too right? Well not! Do not look for ethical standards in some religious stories but you can find them in international literature and also Greek mythology. Aim higher. We all deserve it.

Why cant naivete and short lived arrogance stemming from struggle gained incomplete wisdom be the only true failures of a man (or woman). You can add to that something else like the lack of desire or strength to act for a higher effort when faced with the alternative of a currently easier choice even if still not the most selfish local choice. You can fail to be better and so much more worthy of your own ideas and still not become inherently evil because of that, proving simply an example of the human condition. You can even recognize that and try to address it with better more efficient, less difficult to execute projects. It is not unrealistic to be raised properly and respect others enough to not see them as a means to an end but as an opportunity for the unknown possibilities. Your highest crime then is that of an opportunity loss. You can learn from evil but you do not have to give in to it and make it part of yourself.

It's not the production company's desire to make all heroes dirty in some way. It's a writer's need to make their characters multidimensional; not boring and predictable/unidimensional goody-two-shoes.

I think you'll find Masque, as ethical as you are, there are more interesting people out there. And they're usually both good and bad.

You look at everything through a fatherly lens. Is this setting a good example or a bad example? It's predictable and boring. God would be bored. Don't bore God.

Because there is no story if no one changes. Perfect characters don't need to change, so no story...

I’m unavoidably biased to see stuff like GOT from a world building vantage point and the TV show and books have built some excellent worlds. Yeah the characters are included world. Every house has it’s trauma, a throne that cuts is one which leaves wounds.


Plus it’s beautiful, production values A+. And the martial arts are great. I’d play a GOT arcade style fighting game for quarters.

Plus cockless heroes and villains. The least become most...

Mythicness.

Oh there is plenty of change oh yeah with true fundamental evil missing. How else can wisdom be born without change?

The criticism is never about redemption which is important. The criticism is about the need to be evil every now and then and not be able to draw the facking line that you do not need to aim to kill every time when there is no true reason that is so important. Why is it interesting to witness a sadist give a guy (an sob also in some way but not like that) that is prisoner 2 girls and then before even any sexual conclusion cut his D1<k. What does this serve? Only shock value. You can know what kind of massive ahole one is from several key moments and not need to see it constantly in endless abusive situations of unimaginable evil.

Are we with our culture the fathers of ISIS in the end? Did we give the first example?

There is a ton more interest in the struggle that gives you an Einstein or in a mother that always gave her family and strangers everything they would ever need to never feel alone, unloved and bitter in a universe that has even taken all from them.

Interest exists in a ton more impressive ways when someone that is out there to kill someone finds the courage from a position of strength to stop and discover the possibility of reversal motivated by an event that is shockingly unexpected on the other side.

You can have plenty of adventure without being evil at core. You can be wrong and fail without being evil. You can have a dilemma that builds wisdom.

Wisdom and virtue building is not static at all , its relentless in struggle.

I resist the desire to justify evil as part of the typical man. Your upbringing can remove essential evil and still allow you to remain capable of the greatest crime without essentially becoming truly evil. "I am become death the destroyer of worlds". I find even more interesting the storyline that explains how one becomes the sadistic relentless heartless mfer that the universe disowns. Or how one that never intended it lead to even more deaths. The lesson is instant. The true crime is earlier. There is a huge story there that is more potent because it is in the heart of all of us and how we got there. I have plenty examples of people in my life that i have never witnessed express and support true evil. On the other hand a little indifference and lack of empathy step by step can have its effects multiplied. You cannot have a Hitler without these that built him and then unquestionably accepted him. You can build monsters without performing direct monstrosities of similar caliber. The greatest evil can be born from indifference and selfishness but also from naivete and unintended consequences of failed arrogance and confidence. This is the main reason AI cannot afford to be simplistic when finally super strong.

Who is a true Whore? The one that has been with 500 or the one that marries the monster fully aware of their nature?

Can you love a whore (i much rather use the word prostitute), however desirable? Lust yes but in the end its all worthless and sex itself when bought without truly knowing what is in her mind. I argue only if you know her story you can love her. Can you love the queen whore? You do instantly ignoring all else. And when you learn her story you no longer do. You can only love her again when you have seen her pay for her choice decades later.

Contrast Masque.

Contrast.

This is why.

This is why you add the evil and the perversity.
When the hero overcomes evil it is more satisfying. When the hero overcomes inconvenience it's not satisfying.

Why show the evil? Why be explicit about it?

For the same reason they show explicit details of a crime scene to juries.
It is difficult to make judgement about a crime without seeing the crime transparently; without seeing everything that was involved.

dt it is

Unless the hero overcomes evil to go on to produce the next one himself. Ethical communism.

You have plenty of measured evil in ancient greek mythology. Balance in contrast not an orgy of one.

Measured presentation of evil corrodes less the soul of the lazy and untrained. Or we end in a world where of course being abusive and rude and selfish is nothing compared to those monsters in TV making us feel great about our little daily crimes that one day father the big one finally in the hands of another.

What evil we start taking for granted in our daily experience and entertainment even, has finally corroded us. What Trump and those blindly supporting him, as a means to an end, are doing to the youth of this country for example, establishing a new low norm, is devastating but will be recognized later when a new generation of cynicism is around us.

Let me explain a little bit what is going on really. I definitely appreciate the quality end production value, the acting and variety of characters. I like that i will finish it in 1-2 months and i did the same with breaking bad (which was less ugly though at times lol) . I am not the type of person that will have any problem watching anything because i approach it scientifically and human villains cannot top the nastiness to complexity of a black hole's external close neighborhood or its perceived by me exotic interior. The rest is child's play in contrast. All human evil in the end is a chaotic statistical dance of little quantum systems and their aggregates. You develop higher complexity and evil becomes possible to recognize as the loss of the ability to accumulate wisdom. That is the source of all evil. To deny that.

I watch the show with interest but i find myself attacked constantly by the agony of those involved and the most amazingly short lived expectation of any victory. Its a relentless visit to hell when you allow yourself to immerse in the story. The group of people you care for shrinks in time! Will anybody survive in the end or will they kill them all making a joke of the entire thing? Fantasy as this is, it has a responsibility to life at times when confronting such vast audiences, to offer some comfort of humanity winning in the end even after death.

In a greek myth or tragedy you learn something in the end. What do you learn if all dies? Will the lesson be to not do all that which ruled that world or that cynicism wins?

An interesting world is a world of strong distinctions. A world of the seriously bad and the seriously good; of the seriously dangerous and the seriously courageous.

Our modern condition has long strayed from this world. The future, seemingly, will see a world of weaker distinctions; less contrast. Living in the future will be characterised by hive-mindedness. Always aware of the optimal decision; always doing the right thing. The world of the future will be akin to being a lion - clawing and gnawing at the cages around you, longing again...to be free and wild.

God is bored of the hypothetical future. By God, I mean the collective 'we'.

Edit - noticed that "collective we" is a tautology. Don't need 'collective', it's implied in 'we'.

I think the world is getting more interesting with time not less. Any scientific society vision is not a conformity prison. As i explained evil can come in many forms. Naivete and arrogance are some. A world with many more possibilities is a more responsible world, a wiser one. The true jungle out there is in the exploding complexity that we will witness and for which our brains and current political systems are not enough anymore but only if united and still existing as individuals, cooperating, competing, disagreeing and still respectful of each other's existence and potential. The rise of complexity is anything but boring. The universe will open the door to vast number of possible worlds and experiments.

They suckered me in with their month's free trial dude.

I like to come here to escape reality. And my reality consists of everybody at work talking about GoT. Anything with dragons, magic and mythical lands. I'm out. I respect the shows greatness. I simply don't get it. Nor do I understand the appeal to the entire supermovie genre. I suspect as a young child I would have been fascinated. I got deadpool because it was its antithesis.

I like my fiction to be based on a plausible real life true story. Breaking Bad for instance. One the most highly rated shows.
Why. You have a chemistry teacher, dying of cancer turned Meth producer and worse. Was it the character shift the main appeal of his character. Sure.

Actually David Brin remarked on how science fiction and fantasy are often placed within the same category . Which is a mistake right. What makes science fiction great is its conceived notion of actually, maybe happening. Right

Physicists get their knickers in a twist when a good science fiction movie gets some mathematical details, not relevant to the plot, incorrect. Yet we are expected to be cool with dragons flying around the world .

Love is the answer
https://youtu.be/hg7qdowoemo

Dragons flying around the world is not illogical.

Not per se. As dragons may exist and the world may be round.