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01-07-2019 , 01:07 PM

#13426

Zeno

Le Misanthrope

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 22,357

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

My life is weird

That’s the best kind.

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01-07-2019 , 01:38 PM

#13427

Zeno

Le Misanthrope

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 22,357

All of life's questions can be answered with the simple statement- time to have another Beer.

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01-07-2019 , 02:23 PM

#13428

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,059

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

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01-07-2019 , 04:30 PM

#13429

Zeno

Le Misanthrope

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In the clearing stands a boxer..............

Lie la lie.....

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01-07-2019 , 05:31 PM

#13430

Howard Treesong

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Originally Posted by masque de Z

The universe never forgets. Information is preserved in this universe.

Immortality has no intrinsic desire for signature. The consequences are the signature that matters. It is not the echo of your name in the aeons. It is the imprint of past wisdom of all now long gone on the most sacred of places, the horizon of the soul of each new generation.

For at this moment the present wisdom of this universe is the sole reason all intellect has ever existed.

LOL. Of course information is preserved. But if it is not accessible, it is no different from being forgotten.

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01-07-2019 , 05:55 PM

#13431

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

To be is to do. —Socrates
To do is to be. —Plato
Do-be-do-be-do. —Sinatra

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01-07-2019 , 06:55 PM

#13432

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

LOL. Of course information is preserved. But if it is not accessible, it is no different from being forgotten.

As far as can be sensed, but not really. Ancestral trauma is detectable and that is preserved information. And that’s not all information... but in for a penny, why not in for it all?

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01-07-2019 , 07:36 PM

#13433

Howard Treesong

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How exactly can ancestral trauma be sensed? I viewed my father’s dead body after her had been in in a plane crash, and in that sense only your observation is sensible. But any generations older than him are for me a pure abstraction, and my grandfather’s death to me or the pains of his life, whatever they may have been, are no different to me than the billions of lives that have passed away during history.

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01-07-2019 , 11:03 PM

#13434

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

Well it’s been exhibited so I suppose that is one way how it has been sensed. Another way it is sensed is when experienced. Where it’s detectable is where is it sensed. It’s not exhibited by billions, yet by individuals among presently billions. So the shortest answer to where it may be sensed is individuals. And individuals is also the shortest answer where it may not be sensed. And since it is detectable in individuals, it also is detectable in groups. So it maybe sensed in groups and individuals.

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01-07-2019 , 11:05 PM

#13435

chezlaw

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01-07-2019 , 11:40 PM

#13436

Howard Treesong

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

That doesn’t make a lick of sense, nor does it address my point. But please carry on.

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01-08-2019 , 10:45 AM

#13437

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

That doesn’t make a lick of sense, nor does it address my point. But please carry on.

Actually, it makes perfect sense and addressed what you wrote directly. Maybe you asked a question about something you don’t know much about and aren’t yet prepared to handle the answers?

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01-08-2019 , 11:41 AM

#13438

Howard Treesong

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Ancestral trauma is certainly information that at some abstract level has been preserved. But it is not separable or discernible from the rest of the giant sea of past information that, while also preserved in some abstract way, is not accessible to us in the present. There’s nothing special about ancestral trauma as a specific category of information — as opposed, to say, information about two rodents mating in Sumeria 2500 years ago. It’s just bloody mysticism unless and until we figure out how to decode what we’re interested in from all that is there.

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01-08-2019 , 11:53 AM

#13439

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

Trauma is a strange sort of signal. Sometimes silent, sometimes quite loud. It is particular as a signal. And well it’s a mystery why one sort of experience information would be carried along while all other would not. Trauma can be loud but as an experience it is just an experience. Healing is also an experience, but it’s not as particularly loud as the trauma precedes it.

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01-08-2019 , 02:00 PM

#13440

Howard Treesong

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Well, we seem to not now be talking past one another, but we still disagree. Can you give me an example of a loud trauma signal from before our personal memories?

All information — trauma or no — is preserved, unless black holes are involved, and I seem to remember Hawking suggesting that the black hole barrier is not as impenetrable as once it seemed.

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01-08-2019 , 02:35 PM

#13441

BrianTheMick2

Long way to go and a short time to get there.

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 19,410

I forget things all the time. Therefore information is not memory or experience. I do have mixed feelings about potatoes, so there is that.

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01-08-2019 , 02:51 PM

#13442

Howard Treesong

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Memory or experience is a subset of information. That which you remember and have access to is clearly so; as is this message, even if we both forget it.

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01-08-2019 , 06:17 PM

#13443

MacOneDouble

old hand

Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 1,691

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Originally Posted by Zeno

In the clearing stands a boxer..............

Lie la lie.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlCQ1Ie2OOI

Ex-boxer. Not sure how he annoyed is at the cost of living in Paris, or whether he just wants to throw hands.
But if you have a shield and a baton, and you are taking a backstep, you may have some existential malaise around what you are doing with your life.

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01-08-2019 , 07:06 PM

#13444

MacOneDouble

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I don't mean to joke, although I'm not. This is why I have stopped watching the news. I give up on mankind.

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01-08-2019 , 07:14 PM

#13445

BrianTheMick2

Long way to go and a short time to get there.

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 19,410

The problem is one of thinking that "information is not destroyed" is somehow meaningful on the same level as "you are what you eat." In the second case, you clearly are literally a walking pancake.

I will reiterate my ambivalence about potatoes.

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01-08-2019 , 07:14 PM

#13446

MacOneDouble

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Or you can flip it. Be optimistic. Understand the evolutionary role of the amygdala and realize what is selected as news and why, and thus what is mostly ignored from mainstream news. Whatever.

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01-08-2019 , 07:27 PM

#13447

lastcardcharlie

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Aha, le Pont des Arts.

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01-08-2019 , 11:15 PM

#13448

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

Examples? Like cases? I don’t know of any cases that have what you ask for. But I have only read a few recently. The symptoms of stress disorder are loud. If a person has no idea why they are experiencing them until they find out they have relationship with trauma, they can be remarkably quiet. Which isn’t a trauma of personal memory as in a person who directly experienced a trauma and then exhibits symptoms of trauma. The phenomenon itself bends some thinking about memory and information. But, it’s not mysticism, it’s just the newer information.

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01-09-2019 , 01:05 PM

#13449

Zeno

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 22,357

I’ve fled France for the peace and prosperity of Switzerland, at least for two days. Lausanne is great- not a yellow vest in sight.

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01-09-2019 , 01:13 PM

#13450

Zeno

Le Misanthrope

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 22,357

How information is stored (memory) and transmitted is the key to all philosophical inquiry. Do a thought experiment on a sentient being that only has a 5 minute memory that then resets. Analyze the consequences.

Include mashed potatoes. And gravy.

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