Society is already powered by science and technology to an incredible degree.

Have any of the great physics geniuses been autists? They all seem like normal people to me.

That's another thing that's ill defined.

I listened to Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson spend and hour or two arguing about what truth means. It was pure gold but I wouldn't recommend it. I thought Aristotle laid the groundwork on this issue some time ago. All Socrates knew was that he knew nothing, which may have made him the wisest man in Athens. I heard a rumour Bertrand Russell sort or arrived at that conclusion also in his later years. I also heard a rumour that he had a deathbed conversion so it may be untrue.

Many great men have had deathbed conversions. Testament to time, and how it humbles all.

I've converted to "lime-A-ritas' which are like weak adult booze sour candy. The imagination exists after the end just maybe not yours or maybe yes you.

High functioning autistic people are high functioning. There are work-arounds to make up for some social deficits, and you can set up the environment so those deficits aren't readily apparent or even important.

I have defined long ago in many posts what the properties of scientific society are. Basically we apply science to optimize quality of living for all through rational cooperation and still not end up being a totalitarian communist system by rewarding the individual and their achievements, provided they are not easily shown to inflict harm to society (like most companies that make money do to us all daily through the losers we have for politicians and the weakness of our legal system).

The scientific society aims to have a world where you work only because you enjoy to do so and provide service to society in order to have privileges that grow over time through the use of science and technology. Eventually all undesirable jobs are robotic. All people that work are optimized if they agree to work on what best fits their skills and style of character etc.

Since we are not there yet we have to play a rational game of cooperation with some personal sacrifice in service for the common good.

Basically we ask what is the minimum labor or other services by all to be worth the privileges of membership.

The society is not a defacto system seen before anywhere. Its not a left, right or totalitarian or whatever tried before system. It is a state system for sure that will however forever place the individual not at the service of the state but at the role of rational and fair strengthening of the state so that the state can reward the individual and always offer them safety and support in their effort to become a happy person. You need the state to maximize your chances and in exchange you support its structure like a proper citizen should anyway.

Every member has a defacto spartan existence structure, a simple home, food, healthcare and education (that is unlimited in depth if so desired and objectively seen as worthy of it. ie you prove a decent student overall not a wasting idiot of total lack of care for the process or they drop you then from the program). All this for just being born in this system (after they are adults i mean if they desire to live on their own not in their original family).

Every working member however gets a very advanced quality of life home, public and personal transportation, healthcare and all other kinds of privileges that make working and living desirable. Individuals can build above that on their own (so its not a communist system) but nobody that works is left without the basic things that make a human fundamentally happy at some basic level of security. Most people miss these things most their lives while exploited by others (eg consider what renting for many years does to society - essentially enslaving those unable to have a home of their own right away to endless payments to people that offer very little in terms of annual work to the system after the initial cost).

How to offer this to all becomes now the business of this society. We do not ask what kind of world we have as a political system. This is not a left or right choice. We ask what we want to enjoy in this world as a bare minimum for all (most people will agree to some common things that make 95% of people happy, productive and safe) and them we develop the sustainable structure that give it to us. In that sense many jobs exist to provide this infrastructure and sustain it and optimize it. Endless opportunity for jobs that aim at advancing the level each year. The work of most people is to provide the services and structure to others (the system works for itself). Most works mean something and are not there to make someone rich at the cost of many others.

You get paid both in money and services. But you are never left in a situation where your money alone buys things for you having no other support, therefore you are always protected as long as you work. If something happens we take care of it in some disease or accident or whatever up to a reasonable ethical point so that even if you cant work you are not instantly spartan.

People are all well educated which is the foundation of not being mfing morons that fail to get the most basic of simple logic co-operational behaviors that help everyone involved.

Yes you can educate people to not be aholes. They will be aholes up to a point but for the most part they will have some empathy and appreciation of how it all works like most educated civilized people understand.

If you want out of the system you are free to go and live spartan or even leave completely the place. Free to rejoin later if you want. No problem if you start working again.

All politicians have to pass endless tests of proper conduct and service that are not excessive but reasonable. Fail to offer some tangible legislative etc work and you are dropped out for one cycle as useless in some scoring system. No morons and imbeciles are elected because they wont qualify from previous life conduct and education requirements. Anyone can qualify if they have some service, education and some basic skills to communicate their ideas. The process to get there to qualify through service is open to all people. But only though this service you qualify to become elected. Service can be all your past life as young person too, student, etc.

Anyone can criticize the system and prove they are right in proper process with the right methods. Offer a better alternative and it will be considered and voted by people.

In this system you are free to create private companies and compete with the state and innovate that then the state will have to follow as better than its own rewarding your work. You are rewarded for personal work above the minimum also in all jobs. You get to have a class system in that sense based on wealth but not at the expense of the others having the bare minimum for security. Your success in not built on the suffering or the opportunity loss of others. So no more obvious bs exploitation of the people by having companies that undermine society as if their primary objective is to make money without any care for the consequences. Make money, just not at the cost of the system's operation at acceptable ethical levels.

The system aims eventually to expand to the entire galaxy and become amazingly prosperous creating thousands of artificial worlds and terraforming many suitable planets.

For the near future it aims at giving a state of the art artificial intelligence guided home that is an amazing friend, an entertainment system, and educator, a health monitor , a net energy producer, a food and water producer, etc, all AI assisted and optimized to protect the environment. We better believe it we have the land to give that to everyone if we make it our business and all that get it work for it. All public buildings and infrastructure is optimized to service the state in a variety of creative ways. The system works for itself to prove sustainable and eventually make the needed work by members a declining function of time.

How does it get started? It can get started on Mars, Venus, failed communities or bankrupt countries, arid very limited prospect places that however offer a new start because they have significant unexplored assets from the perspective of serious science and technology design, homeless people centers etc. It can be even started by new paradigm companies that all workers own the company (divided in terms of role in its creation and progress) instead of external shareholders and its profits are used to improve their collective privileges and secure progress in standards of living. The company cares for its employees outside of their employment (who also own it and have incentive to profit with their work) and has as mission plan to produce amazing quality of standards of living for all of them in a co-operational manner and even initiate cooperation with other companies that offer similar privileges to their employees (synergies). It can start small or with donations of rich people, the work of individual enthusiasts that join and never had chance elsewhere before to belong to something that they owned and have a role in its progress and keep growing everywhere it starts with the single requirement to be sustainable after first costs. It will win on merit or not at all.


I cant describe all the ideas i have in one post. I need to write a book about it. So i have done it in dozens of occasions at different times.

(search my login site name and keys like scientific society and read all i have posted if not bored - make it better with suggestions)

There's more books written about it than there is ideas about it.

A personal favourite: Brave New World.

Huxley? Relationship? None. Dystopia is what we currently live in however. And this comes from someone very happy to be alive in the happiest year of his life.

You see what else do you call a world that never went back to the moon, where facebook and google have all your secrets and are blessed to do so with the support of apple who has become the 1984 world it was revolting against in that ad. What else do you call a world that has South Korea enjoy such prosperity in technology and at its door you have a mega moron that has on the other side of the world another mega tabloid of the 80s moron as the savior of the superpower.

What do you call a world where all the trendy theories of its physics have failed to predict a single thing of their decades old claims in LHC and also gloriously missed all the observed deviations.

What do you call that world but dystopian present in so many ways? And yet it may be necessary for the greater world to emerge that way. Because the human epic will never be a dystopia where it counts.

I call it then opportunity. I call it the mother of the greatest tomorrow imagined. Lets make it happen.

Want people to be free of unnecessary pains; unnecessary suffering, and to be happier overall. Yes?

Prefer for the scientific method to be used more widely, in all its ingenuity and potential, to help people live happier lives. Yes?

Like to reduce the bad, which makes the good so good. Yes?

Yeeeeeeees.

Resident World Controller of Western Europe says.... Yeeeeeees.
A chant ensues.


*Quietly leaves premises to self-flagellate.*

Speaking of ill-defined.

Today on the radio, I heard some expert define music as - vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce harmony and express emotion.

Common practice, it seems, for 'experts' to take the life out of things. What a barren, lifeless definition of a thing of endless beauty, wonder and variety.

Well put. That's what it is if having to use few words. The words "harmony" and "emotion" contain lots of stuff.

This is an insane view.
The world is marvellous. Stop viewing it from a perch and it'll make more sense. I would love to drop you in even a fraction of an actual dystopia.

To define something.

What is it to define some thing?

The inexpressible depth of music is in that it reproduces all the emotions of our innermost being, but entirely without reality and remote from its pain. It does not express this or that individual or particular joy, this or that sorrow or pain or horror or exaltation or cheerfulness or peace of mind, but rather joy, sorrow, pain, horror, exaltation, cheerfulness and peace of mind - in themselves. Music expresses in an exceedingly universal language, in a homogeneous material, that is, in mere tones, and with the greatest distinctness and truth, the inner being, the in-itself, of the world.

Socrates didn't say or mean that "he knew nothing" but in fact held the search for "truth" and "wisdom" as a sacred calling and in this he taught his students via the Socratic method .

Taking "he knew nothing" out of context is the difficulty for if this were laid in stone he could be accused of "teaching nothing" which is foolish. Plato, the student of Socrates concerned himself with the moral aspect of philosophy as did Socrates. Also, the fact that Plato was a student doesn't mean that he simple regurgitated Socrates in his works; this is evident .

It is egregious to use Socrates to justify some type of cynical approach to knowledge and wisdom which are real and of the greatest of human approach; philosophy or "love of wisdom" where "Sophia" the divine wisdom was well approached by the ancient thinker, and that, perforce,includes Socrates.

I don't know anyone who has studied music theory who thinks it has reduced the magic for them.

I believe it was Sgt. Shultz who said, "I know nothing".


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I've heard this claim before from talented musicians ("studying music too much dulls creativity"). If they're not talented, then yeah, there's nothing to dull.

The loser who plays the guitar down your local pub isn't going to be negatively affected by music theory. The classical pianist can be.

I stopped at three 'rationals' bec I wasn't going to read that entire thing.

I really ought to get paid for my contributions, that's what I think.

He's not a loser.

High horses is loser.

This was a bit more elaborate.

There are short answers and long answers. When are definitions of things too short? Short and spot on, as long as not wrong, is good to have as an alternative. Not just as the only one alternative. Truth doesn't spoil thing things for me, or so I try.

The expert still can feel orgasms.

Rational behavior impossible? We are already rational in so many things in our behavior daily. We are not rational and organized in some very important things but not because its intrinsically impossible to be serious about them but because it takes organized effort to get there the same way we left stupid systems like monarchy or feudalism or the jungle. We didnt have schools, hospitals or human rights bills either for thousands of years.

The fact is logic doesn't kill or restrict emotions. It prioritizes them, it understands their origin and purpose, it enables them to be experienced at a better level of awareness. It enables to celebrate the human condition at a less tragic and painful level but not at level that is less moving.

Rationality will weed out much old ****, as it has before. Empathy, that is mirroring yourself in others, is of course basic too. Global empathy will be rational.