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Originally Posted by plaaynde
masque, are you prepared to have that many people killed? Hope Bruce haven't had a bad influence.
I am prepared (i mean in my way of thinking if others agreed to that way and we did it together as a country) to dictate when they are killed and for what noble purpose including myself so as not to have aholes hold the planet hostage to their idiotic pursuit of domination. If it is well designed there wont be great many victims and the gain for N Korea will be a unification eventually. They will win and we lose to cancer , heart disease and other things nobody cares many millions each year anyway.
The US and any superpowers should never attack any country that behaves properly even if they are opponents and disagreeing because it is their right to be different and compete.
But the moment comes that when you allow him to become more powerful, because his regime is precisely the kind it is and the country is not a superpower or very big country that stands to lose a ton of value like Russia or China or India or even Pakistan, you approach a situation where he can destroy so much more.
The effort to defeat ICBMs is a very difficult game. If it was easy Trump would have already ordered to strike down all his test launches just to pi$$ him off.
The detonation of H-Bomb is a problem that one has to draw the line to. A nuclear strike Hiroshima style can destroy a city center and some greater area like say 10x 9/11 damage. But a megaton order detonation or more 10 M eventually if you let him get where he wants to be, will be able to take out a huge part of a major city like NY or LA or Chicago or Houston or San Francisco or create environmental damage to entire states and countries if it targets the right nuclear reactors and industrial centers.
He can easily give the weapons to terrorists eventually too.
The problem with him is that he has precisely the type of personality that will eventually go for it very often because he wants to be the one that did it to US.
He is not building a protection for his system. Nobody would just invade to take him out if he was cool and rational and simply lived in his communist totalitarian bs world without insults and risks to others.
Nobody did anything to N Korea for 60 years. That is precisely the problem actually. If you can avoid war you avoid it though. Therefore i do not rush to blame the previous administrations. All the risks he is seeing and talks about are in his mind and it is there because he is a magalomaniac. But unlike Trump he is not at all worried if the country goes to hell and all die for him to have that one strike to US. Look what he did to his brother and uncle.
He is not behaving like a rational player that says gentlemen i will never attack you first and you have my promise that i am only defending myself if attacked. I demand nothing from you other than not to attack me and i will never assist any terrorist groups because i respect international law and my intention is to focus on my economy.
This guy is very dangerous and will go for it when he can or when cornered eventually or when near death. So it has now become a matter of actually removing that ability from him. It is that simple. But it is also a teaching moment for all mankind. We need that moment. That yes one should draw such lines in the sand and go for it because the alternative is a lot worse eventually.
In the cold war both sides cared for their own people eventually. You just cannot simply write off Russia. Its a huge country. Same for US. Too much value in both systems. What value is in N Korea if it is wiped out? Does he behave like someone who cares for his people? It is a worthy loss for him if the cost for US is its economy and loss of major cities and industrial centers to nearly irreversible environmental damage. He will go for it. He will design and develop more efficient death delivery systems.
A nuclear strike cannot destroy you. But 100 strikes at majors cities and critical chemical factories and nuclear reactors will destroy half the country. Such risk is unacceptable for a superpower. Conditional very well calculated and designed first move is the correct choice. The alternative is the perfect icbm kill system technology. Either we do that or draw the line.
But it is such asymmetrical game eventually that even if we have ICMB kill technology he will find other ways to deliver it. Plus developing one forces the others to develop more lethal delivery systems. Its a lose lose endgame unless new unreal innovation technology can neutralize nuclear strikes by anyone instantly.
Any year you allow him to perfect his icmb and megaton size arsenal capabilities given the current orgasmic pace of progress is a year closer to losing 10-20 cities in a strike. When you are in his position and can destroy a superpower and its countryside with plenty of radiation you will do it 95% of the time just because its the greatest victory for his legacy.
It is very sad to me to come to this realization. This is why actually regime change or assassination and then regime change is the proper choice to avoid war. We are fighting here a mfing family of irrational people not a line of communist leaders that cared for their people. It is a big difference. He will go for it if you let him. Yes he will. Everyone like that would do the same. When you have little to lose and can write history like that you can go for it a lot more often than rational people that care for their country. Its the ultimate moment of payback for the country that developed nuclear weapons in his mind. And the sad truth is that Russia and China thoroughly enjoy this moment because it is their creation. This is why MacArthur should have been allowed to end this bs back then. When you have war you better have it properly.
Last edited by masque de Z; 09-04-2017 at 02:21 AM.