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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You're incoherent.
she. was. a. professor. of. quantum. chemistry.
She has publications; go look them up if you want "evidence of her doing any science."
I guess you would have thought Einstein had lolcredentials because he grew up in pre-war Germany. Just amazing.
The Greeks ran up an unsustainable debt and lied about their finances and now they want to get pissy at Merkel for cutting up their credit cards. They got 10x the bailout the Germans got under the Marshall Plan and Greece is still a hot mess. Greece should try to be more like Germany, frankly.
No she wasnt a professor. Read again. Not that being a professor anywhere means anything serious these days necessarily. It all depends on whether you are good or willing to do whatever it takes. You have to know which it is.
Papers by multiple authors do not prove anything on any tangible way. You do have evidence of me solving problems though here alone. I never made any comparison by the way. TS did that without any evidence. And in some highly specialized fields papers are a lot easier to produce by the way. This is why people go that way, not because they suddenly fell in love with the super specialized topics. Its a safer career choice. They likely will never change any scientific paradigm typically without this meaning to look down at the service by those that work in less ambitious projects properly (but to suggest the motives instead for picking such topics are not that clean always).
The decision to leave the research is more important than the topic itself. I have respect for the study of chemistry at a deeply quantum mechanical level with various levels of perturbation theory methods that can uncover properties in reactions that may prove very useful for applications and lead to optimization. Its unlikely to lead to understanding QM though.
You 2 or 3 guys here show profound lack of understanding of what happened in Greece.
The vast majority of debt is derivatives based and interest based. The real money borrowed is fraction of the actual debt. It didnt exactly go to the avg person's pocket. There was a lot of mismanagement too. But of course you all loved the 2004 games.
You dare compare with Marshall plan. What a joke! The Marshall plan was not debt relaxation. It was real money to the level of 116 bil $ today that was invested in actual recovery of a country with real rebuilding. That can yield 10x its value over time. Nothing like that happened with Greece. In fact the avg person lost from this a ton of money and businesses closed and nobody came in to invest in the future. So f you for being so simplistic making such comparisons with partially fictitious in ethical terms debt.
Who the f*ck ever calculated the disaster Germany caused to Greece in WW2 and even recent times with the common currency and the business it was doing inside Greece taking from the people their money in terms of products sold there but no creation of progress generating jobs locally. Yes if you can borrow at stupid rates and the others have to borrow at 5-10%more then what exactly you expect to happen if you also technologically dominate the production of goods? Who were the unfriendly neighbors of Germany that would have it spend a ton for defense for example for decades?
Tell me again how do you begin to evaluate the damage Merkel and the prime time mfer Wolfgang Schäuble and all their petty satellites are causing for years now to Greece with the failed austerity process and forced dismantling of a society held hostage from month to month in a permanent condition of uncertainty for any new investments there. When a system is screwed up and requires proper fixing of many of its structural properties you demand only sensible austerity and at the same time you offer massive incentives for meeting goals in terms of true investment in the rebuilding of the economy. You ask for laws to be passed in exchange for tangible benefits in terms of job creation and investments in actual growth. Either this is a f*cking union that all matter to prosper or a new economic invasion equivalent to the nazi treatment of the past but done so superficially elegantly in "civilized terms" now as the other clueless people worldwide witness it away from its true consequences.
What the f is the value of 500k murders/famine deaths (over 8% of people) , the stealing of gold and other riches and forced labor and forced withdrawing of the wealth of a nation for 4 years but also the most important thing ,the creation of the conditions for a civil war that lasted many years till late 50s (during which Germany was rebuilding big time) and then the next 40 divided the country in a manner that destroyed any chance for unity and recovery as a nation with coherent planning. One government was undoing the work of the other. The left leading the march to disaster and the right failing to reach a common ground of social issues that would deprive the bastard socialists from destroying the system with simplistic populism. Sounds familiar to US in 2017 with the endless division and infighting and rise of populism?
The average Greek people are hard workers. My parents worked all their lives and still produce value and share with the community.
A giant mf you to all here that will ever dare again to call Greeks lazy collectively.
Read this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time
Average annual hours actually worked per worker
Rank Country Hours
1 Mexico 2,255
2 South Korea 2,069
3 Greece 2,035
4 Chile 1,974
5 Russia 1,974
6 Poland 1,928
7 Latvia 1,910
8 Israel 1,889
9 Iceland 1,883
10 Ireland 1,879
11 Estonia 1,855
12 Portugal 1,842
13 United States 1,783
14 Czech Republic 1,770
OECD average 1,763
15 Hungary 1,761
16 New Zealand 1,752
17 Slovak Republic 1,740
18 Italy 1,730
19 Japan 1,713
20 Canada 1,703
21 Spain 1,695
22 Slovenia 1,682
23 United Kingdom 1,676
24 Australia 1,669
25 Finland 1,653
26 Sweden 1,621
27 Austria 1,601
28 Switzerland 1,590
29 Belgium 1,541
30 Luxembourg 1,512
31 France 1,472
32 Netherlands 1,430
33 Norway 1,424
34 Denmark 1,410
35 Germany 1,363
My own personal avg is more like 2500 these days.
You didnt expect that did you?
There are many reasons for the failure of the economy. Populism style of Papandreou's pseudo socialism is one. The damage and bad habits for many was installed in the 80s. Of course there are massive failures by prior governments and a significant fraction of the population that are plain selfish mfers and who happen to decide elections too like they do here as well.
The bad habits of a country are also the result of lack of opportunity but also external negative influences and exploitation. This is what happens when the conditions to undermine proper design and organization in a society destroy optimism and confidence and lead people to a life of opportunistic survival without genuine investment in the future of the country.
And you cannot measure quality of life either by simplistic economic terms. Maybe people in Greece are happier at a level that others that are very healthy economically miss completely. Maybe historically they do not wish to exploit each other all the time (do not see what the crisis has caused now, look way back). Maybe they do not see building such type of wealth on the back of other weaker people as the objective of a society.
How many of you that dare to speak so shamelessly negatively for an entire country actually enjoyed the amazing value of free education my country gave me for years? I didnt have to pay a single $ for my undergraduate studies that are exceptionally good in quality compared to the classes i experienced in other countries (they compare just fine with Stanford or MIT or Caltech equivalent in undergraduate materials taught for example). What is the cost here for example for an undergraduate degree? And you get it for close to free in Greece if you pass the exams with good performance. How about healthcare?
What Greece missed for decades is a proper sustainable design to flourish in its own terms and with its own cultural virtues putting to proper long term growth trajectory the hard work of the avg person (embracing scientific design). Infighting will do that to a country. It will lead to endless brain drain to the other countries too. So learn the lesson and do not do the same here because the cost in US with such division will be even greater for the world as this social multicultural experiment here is too important to fail.
Last edited by masque de Z; 08-06-2017 at 05:35 AM.